Myth: Roberto Duran has a better resume than Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao.

It was a masking agent, genius.

Regarding matchmaking, I can give you many facts if you wish.

 

Come on then.

Be specific.

Break down how he does significantly better than the 1-5.

I can’t wait to read it.

I can’t wait to read how you think that Floyd would have done against prime versions of Leonard, Hearns and Hagler.

 

Can you please elaborate on this bit?

"does significantly better than 1-5 with a forfeit, ko loss and 3 ud loses against the notable 147+ fighters."

Specifically, how well do you think Mayweather would do against Leonard, Benitez, Hearns and Hagler? And do you really think he'd not only beat one of them, but more than one?

Edit: forgot about Benitez, added him to the post.

 

I can’t wait to read his thoughts.

And they have to be against the specific versions who Duran fought.

 

I agreed with the majority of his post but I'm looking forward to the clarification.

 

Mayweather has no chance against Leonard and he certainly isn't fighting him thrice. Hagler was methodical against opposition that stood toe to toe with him and didn't forfeit the center of the ring. No chance Mayweather will fight Hagler of all people like that. Hagler is also a better southpaw than anyone Mayweather fought, except Pacquiao who was much smaller than Hagler. Mayweather always had trouble with southpaws his size let alone Hagler's size, he was no Bernard Hopkins that's for sure. Benitez is his only winnable fight, but Benitez is very capable of outslicking Mayweather if he shows up on his game. Ain't no breeze this one. Combination punchers couldn't land consistently on him, a pot-shotting featherfisted Mayweather will land (and throw) still less. The Benitez fight might look like the Zudah fight except Mayweather struggling for way longer.

 

You don't say buddy. There are no facts in your post. A faster, harder hitting combination puncher with high ring iq is all wrong for Mayweather. It would look like Leonard-Benitez. You posted your delusions and are now trying to pass them as facts? Lol.

 

Duran would have massacred Floyd, just like Golovkin would have.

 

I don't think I'll be able to get through entire thread and all of the discussion, so I assume those points were already raised.
- Data is quite interesting, so credit for putting it together. Particulary the stat on numbers of HOF-ers beaten is not what I'd expect to see.
- After that I see some inconsistencies:
* I don't believe anyone thought Cotto was the best fighter at 154 at the time Floyd fought him. He was considered past prime, was already undersized at 154, beat the weakest belt-holder and then defended against 2 veterans who were, I think it's fair to say, on the "shot" side.
* Sharmba Mitchell certainly wasn't 2-5 level Welterweight in 2005. He was past his physical prime with bad knees and didn't do anything at that weight, outside of beating Chris "The Mechanic" Smith, who - while tough and solid - wasn't a legimate contender at any point.
* Hatton wasn't 2-5 level Welterweight in 2007 either. He only fought once at that weight and by all accounts was handily outboxed by Collazo.
* Mosley was way over the hill when Pacquiao fought him. That's not 2-5 type win either.

I could probably pick up some more, but biggest problem with using it as a definitive kind of argument could be summed up by the saying: "There are lies, there are outrageous lies and then there are statistics".

Any kind of rating system which completely disregards the win like Duran had over Ernest Marcell, yet gives Mayweather a "point" in most important category for beating Baldomir, which is also valued just as highly as Duran beating Leonard - is not a system that is getting us any closer to the truth or helping us judge respective resumes accordingly.

I'll abstain from answering the major question in the thread - I'm not accordingly educated on Duran's career, didn't see enough fights from that era. I'm sure others are more qualified to answer it and I'm sure They already have. The opening post is good reminder that context matters and boxrec capping will not tell You the whole truth, so I wouldn't like to repeat the same mistake.