Haney was 165lbs vs Prograis

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  1. Maidanas Gun Tattoo

    Maidanas Gun Tattoo Well-Known Member Full Member

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  2. Maidanas Gun Tattoo

    Maidanas Gun Tattoo Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I remember Lewis beating Holyfield the first time. But I also remember he got screwed on the cards.
     
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  3. Darni187

    Darni187 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    This is not news , it's just confirming Haney is a weight bully .. the guy is a 147lbs fighter and was boiling down to 135lbs so he could fight a natural 125lbs old small Loma and still lost in many people view and probs being 160lbs that night too .. these are crazy swings in weight advantage..

    Tank should play him at his own game ...agree too 140lbs for the fight but with a 10lbs Max rehydration clause lol so max Devin can only be 150lbs on fight night ..
     
    Darni187, Dec 14, 2023
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  4. vast

    vast Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No you hate the player. Fighters like Loma NEVER pull crap like that.
     
    vast, Dec 14, 2023
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  5. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Hate the player and the game

    Hate the criminal and the law makers

    Respect the players who campaign in divisions full of fighters their own size not in ones against opponents half their size or who they weigh 2, 3 or even 4 divisions more than and have an obscene reach advantage over too

    And afford players who actually do ''dare to be great'' by trying to become multiple weight champions against opponents bigger, much bigger or way bigger than them much more credit and respect, not noshing ones to death who've boiled their huge frames down to go on leprechaun safari in divisions they're gigantic for and hold huge physical advantages over everyone


    And then when their bodies literally force them to move up (which FTR isn't actually ''daring to be great'') they're still way bigger than their opponents when they become multiple weight champions

    They only actually start facing opponents their own size for the first time in their career or roughly their size by the time they become three weight champions but people act like them becoming multiple champions the way they do it is on a par or even better than when ones who were average sized for their first weight class, small for their second, and tiny for their third is :facepalm:

    One is distinctly more impressive and more difficult than the other but people act like it's the same and we see this all the time :facepalm:


    Do you think Haney will ever be sporting any of his opponents 20 + lbs, almost six inches in reach in his entire career?

    Do you realize how many divisions he would have to go up to be at those kind of huge physical disadvantages? He never will, not even remotely close.

    1. How do you think he would fare against a same size Loma, even this old past prime Loma?

    2. What about a 5lb heavier Loma?

    3. A 10lb one?

    4. A 15lb one?

    5. A 20 + lb one with a near six inch reach advantage?

    6. With a 36 hour weigh in?

    7. In Ukraine?

    8. With a Ukrainian ref and three Ukrainian judges?

    You can stop at 1 because he gets KTFO every single time and he'd never agree in a million years to do 5, 6, 7, or 8

    But P4P skills doe and pin a medal of honor on him and give him the keys to the city because he traveled over to OZ to face a much smaller opponent who cannot deal with boxers his own size, let alone ones way bigger (ie. a perfect stylistic match up for him) in their backyard and, in complete contrast to back home in the US when and his countrymen are facing foreigners, with all the officials coming from neutral countries:facepalm:

    Loma has never tried to weaken one of his opponents with catchweights, rehydration clauses or artificially enhanced himself with steroids/PEDs like so many of these other multiple weight champs even though unlike many of them who were weight bullies or very big or big for their first, second or third division he is actually fighting bigger or way bigger opponents when he moves up not smaller, much smaller or way smaller but he receives zero credit for it while they get lavished with praise for cheating and stacking the deck.

    So that begs the question why even bother if you aren't going to receive any credit or respect for it and people are going to play dumb and pretend like what you're doing is exactly the same as the deck-stackers and cheats are doing? Just stack the deck and juice and see if you can acquire a different passport that will grant you a free pass for doing all that :facepalm:
     
    Serge, Dec 14, 2023
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  6. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Apparently no one cares about Prograis coming in 16 pounds heavier than his weigh in, just Haney.
     
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  7. Eel87

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    Benavidez should be at cruiserweight
     
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  8. GBoxingFeed

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    Think you are being a bit disingenuous here. Prograis, the fighter in the weight class ABOVE Haney (the fighter moving up in weight), was 9 pounds lighter than the fighter who was making his debut in that division. Which suggests that when he was operating at the division below that he had an even more significant advantage. This is not something to be lauded...it may technically be legal, but it is not right especially in a sport where the contestants can get seriously hurt. And yeah, the Lomachenko thing still smarts for a lot of people given that he is WAY smaller and now it comes out that Haney is fighting at 165, and still the judges were in his favour.

    It may be technically legal to hide your money in the Cayman Islands and not pay your fair share towards the country you live in - but we don't celebrate those shysters as we shouldn't here.
     
    GBoxingFeed, Dec 15, 2023
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  9. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    You're being disingenuous here.

    Prograis is a 140 pound fighter, he's come in fight weighing as a MW.

    Yes Haney has come in a SMW, but these two are both guilty of the same thing here.

    A fight between a SMW and MW should not be for the 140 pound title. So if we're criticising one, we're criticising both.
     
    lufcrazy, Dec 15, 2023
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  10. MismatchHypejob

    MismatchHypejob Active Member Full Member

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    100% top comment in this thread along with @Serge

    Haney shouldn’t be getting overhyped for beating on way smaller dudes (and getting rocked by them)
     
    MismatchHypejob, Dec 15, 2023
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  11. MismatchHypejob

    MismatchHypejob Active Member Full Member

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    “there’s no such thing as weight bully derp” :facepalm:

    dumb asses ..yes there is, just because the system allows it doesn’t mean a guy abusing the system and weighin 10lbs+ more than his opponent isn’t a weight bully.
     
    MismatchHypejob, Dec 15, 2023
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  12. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    Doesn't WBA have a restriction limit? These commissions really need to implement this especially with the possibility of missing weight and having fights cancelled.
     
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  13. From.Russia

    From.Russia Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Its ******ed, but he makes it and doesnt fight at catchweight, at the same time:

    1.Older fighters are at disadvantage because its harder for them to make weight and rehydrate so much.
    2.I doubt you can lose so much weight and rehydrate like that without substances like torasemid or furosemid
    3. How the **** he couldnt hurt Linares?
     
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  14. Maidanas Gun Tattoo

    Maidanas Gun Tattoo Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He’s made weight in his last 2 fights with 167 and 166. Why should he move up?
     
    Maidanas Gun Tattoo, Dec 15, 2023
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  15. MismatchHypejob

    MismatchHypejob Active Member Full Member

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    Fight night weights should have to be published to name and shame the scumbag con artists.

    We all know the reason Haney is fighting at the lowest weight possible: protects him from bigger opponents with more power against his China chin and so that his featherfisted punches can actually affect his opponents
     
    MismatchHypejob, Dec 15, 2023
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