Pacquiao the only modern fighter to have these qualities?

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  1. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Prime Pacquiao had the following

    -Elite Power
    -Elite Speed
    -Elite Stamina


    Before anybody says that he didn't have elite power, I concede that was true at 130 pounds and above. However, at 122 and 126 he was a bona fide banger.

    As far as modern boxing goes, I have never seen another fighter in my lifetime that had all 3 of these qualities. It's rare to find any fighter with just 1 of them. Extremely rare to find any fighter with at least 2 of these qualities. 3 is almost unheard of. Tommy Hearns and Mike Tyson had speed/power, but not the stamina. Usyk has the speed/stamina, but not the power. Beterbiev has the power/stamina, but not the speed. I can't find anybody else who has all 3.

    I guess you could say that Ray Robinson also possessed all 3 of these qualities, but that was a long ass time ago. In terms of modern boxing (like 80s to present) it's really only Pac that has all 3.

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    Notepad12 Active Member Full Member

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  3. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Nah, workrate is nothing special for a lower weight class fighter.
     
  4. MorvidusStyle

    MorvidusStyle Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's interesting how PEDs help with all those things.
    Anyone who comes up from the 120s to beat up LMW size opponents is not natural by any means.
     
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  5. Fogger

    Fogger Father, grandfather and big sports fan. Full Member

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    Inoue is so dominant he rarely has to show stamina. The one time he had to, he showed it in spades in the first Donaire fight. Inoue definitely has all three.
     
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  6. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    I'd like to see him pushed very hard by a younger man before I say Inoue has an elite workrate and stamina.
     
  7. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    Hard to know how good his stamina is as nobody has really tested it. His style is completely different to Pac's, he's a lethal counter puncher and anyone mad enough to take it too him and perhaps test that stamina, so far has found out just how lethal his counters are and gets KO'ed quickly.

    I doubt he can sustain Pac's work rate if he tried as few fighters have that kind of aerobic capacity, but then he seems like a gym rat and is always training so I doubt he'll ever show any issues with his stamina.
     
  8. Mike_b

    Mike_b Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Pacquiao becomes refined over the years. During the first jmm fight he was SO one dimensional. Couldn't solve the Rubik's to Juan Manuel s boxing game. He used to move his head Pacquiao did like a poor man's Tyson, either that or a very slow head movement, which didn't serve as correct as iron Mike's legendary head movement went. I think PAC said his number one influence coming up was iron Mike Tyson. So he was kinda doing moves if his idol but not to capitalize on it as how great truly Mike could be!
     
  9. Contro

    Contro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yes and its unnatural, atleast one of those should have subsided on his way up in weight. Even doped up freaks like Holyfield and Mosley had to give something up
     
  10. tarrant45

    tarrant45 Active Member Full Member

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    Benavidez. Plus he has size and range which Manny did not have.
     
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  11. tarrant45

    tarrant45 Active Member Full Member

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    Stopping Oscar, Cotto, Margarito and dropping Mosely did not equal elite power? lol. Elite power does not mean 1 punch KO power, not even Beterbiev does that.
     
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  12. Guerra

    Guerra Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Roy Jones?
     
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  13. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Pacroid got no skills at all. He just pushes his arms out randomly at 100mph like he's trying to break the world fly catching record and bounces around like a hyperactive child
     
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  14. Guerra

    Guerra Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He didnt stop any of them. Ref stopped cotto, should have stopped margarito and Oscar quot on his stool.
    Pacquiao could definitly beat a guy up at welter but at the lower weights he really had ko power.
     
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  15. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    I'd argue he was a genuine banger all he way up to 140 because what he did to Hatton who had a good chin. He really didn't fight enough at 135 and 140 to know if he could bang at that weight like he did at 126. Also at 130 the level of guys he fought with JMM, Barrera and Morales making up 4 of the 8 fights he had at that weight were just crazy, even genuine bangers don't KO everyone when they are fighting ATG's let alone fighting them back to back at times, like Pac did.

    It's really only at 147 when he went from a genuine puncher to more a volume puncher, who had to break you down with accumulation. Below 147 he could drop and hurt anyone with one punch, which is crazy. I remember when I used to think Hamed hit harder but given Pac's exploits at higher weights, I think at worst Pac had power equal to Hamed at 126.