Pacquiao the only modern fighter to have these qualities?

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  1. box33

    box33 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Him & all the rest of the usual idiots In here, now if we really start talking PEDs then we know who to start examining first hahaha.
     
  2. steviebruno

    steviebruno ESB NYC Delegate banned Full Member

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    Shane didn't come on strong against Vargas and Mayorga; he was just as fatigued as they were but simply gutted it out because he had so much heart. Those guys were shot, though, and Shane was looking sloppy and tired against them despite having superior conditioning.

    He faded early against Forrest, Wright, Cotto, etc. He was done after three rounds against Floyd.

    Even in his signature win against Oscar, he had a three round lull in the middle of the fight where he was visibly taking deep breaths during the rounds to reset and calm himself.

    He was wound way too tightly and wastes lots of energy, IMO.
     
  3. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He knocked out Mayorga clean in the last round thats showing stamina.

    He knocked out Rivera in last round that's showing stamina.

    He came on late vs ODLH in a great action packed fight throwing 88 punches in round 12 that's showing stamina.

    I don't know what you're on about TBH Mosley's stamina has always been one of his better assets. He can consistently throw hard punches throughout entire fight and has shown plenty of stamina and power late on in fights.

    His loss to Cotto was a razor thin close decision that could've gone either he also threw over 100 more punches than Cotto.

    His losses to Wright, Mayweather, Forrest, have got nothing to do with stamina issues. They just shut Mosley down and that's one of Mosley's biggest weaknesses is he can't adapt, his boxing IQ isn't the strongest for someone with his amazing handspeed.

    But I've never thought his stamina was a weakness infact it's one of his most underrated attributes as is his chin.
     
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  4. Braindamage

    Braindamage Baby Face Beast Full Member

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    So you take Loma over Pac at 126-130?
     
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  5. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Man, **** that no skill juicer Manny Pacroid and the rest of the roid freaks in this thread. This thread should be renamed The Juicer's Ball. Pacroid. Roid. Tyson. Benavidez on that SNAC juice too :facepalm:

    How Pacroid's head grow to the size of a pumpkin like that? Huh? A-side meth. Ariza's shakes. That's how. It's so obvious

    And how's an oompa loomp gonna carry their power up like 7 or 8 divisions and still be going strong and be a bundle of speed and energy in their early 40s beating up much bigger prime world champions? Ain't never seen nothing like it :facepalm:

    Even Roid who was obviously on serious juice too head never grew like that and he was done by the time he was 40 and he's way bigger than Pacroid :facepalm:
     
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  6. Toney F*** U

    Toney F*** U Boxing junkie Full Member

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    Vergil Ortiz!!!
     
  7. Rubber Glove Sandwich

    Rubber Glove Sandwich 'Iranian flag green' reflecting pool Full Member

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    Since you defined modern as 1980s to present, Duran and Leonard are certainly on there.
     
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  8. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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    Was going to say Shane.
     
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  9. Manfred

    Manfred Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He was consistently putting much bigger and elite fighters in some serious pain and hurt. Well into the latter stages of his career.
     
  10. Manfred

    Manfred Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yep, Margarito, Oscar,and Morreles wish that they would have been knocked out instead of taking that beatdown and Hatton wish he would've stayed at home. His power was always there and always felt. Every fighter out there respected his power as much as his speed. All those that didn't got knocked out or beat down. Elite power is respected power by your peers. He even had Margarito backing up. I can understand you feeling that way tho cause you only looking at it in one light. Elite power does not mean all knockouts.
     
  11. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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    At welter, he had good power but not elite, yeah. But then when people want to talk about PEDs, then he had elite power at welter. Funny.
     
  12. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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    I never said he wasn't on PEDs. They all are.
     
  13. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Manny obviously has natural gifts but, yeah.. it is highly unusual what he was able to do ascending through so many weight classes and the age he was able to maintain it to. But you have the likes of Roid, who whilst very naturally physically gifted, we know artificially enhanced those gifts with PEDs

    Imagine you have two formula 1 drivers and one of them already has a faster car than the other but feels that they need even more of an advantage on top of their natural one so they cheat and use illegal tyres that enable them to drive much faster

    Many fighters turn or are enticed to the Dark Side in US gyms and do PEDs so Manny could be another one of them
    I mean we even have a couple of notorious disgraced PED gurus working with a whole bunch of fighters over there in them and fighters like Roy, Floyd and Manny and Clenelo are widely considered the greatest fighters of their generations despite the fact Roy and Clenelo are proven PED cheats and Floyd got popped using illegal IVs, extremely suspect testosterone levels, his surrogate father owns like 20 or more TRT clinics, he refused to VADA, and a whole bunch more red flags surrounding him regarding PEDs.
    Not to mention all those fighters are multi weight world champions too and so many of these multi weight champs are convicted or known juicers.

    With Manny it's more a case of suspicion he was on PEDs but many strongly believe he was.
     
  14. No_name_tard

    No_name_tard Active Member Full Member

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    The growth in that physique and head size in mid 30s can't be called just suspicion. Forget the performance in the ring, his changed appearance was the most absurd thing.
     
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  15. rodney

    rodney Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Just a swarmer.
     
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