Pacquiao the only modern fighter to have these qualities?

Ofc elite power means knockouts. Wtf....

What's next? eating does not imply swallowing food?

2 kos in 15 years. Period. Only with that info you already know that his power is not elite. Who has elite power? Inoue for example.

This new world post 2000s completely sucks. A world were the obvious is not true anymore. Now you can have a 30cms huge sausage hanging between your legs and be a woman, and you can have only 2 kos in 15 years and have elite power.

Bring me back to the 80s, please.

 

At welter, he had good power but not elite, yeah. But then when people want to talk about PEDs, then he had elite power at welter. Funny.

 

What peds gave him was endless stamina. Those 1300 punches fights (like margo's or clottey's) were absolutely insane. Ridiculously stupid level of insanity. I cant recall something similar, a brutal display of throughput in terms of volume, speed and snap. I dont buy that you can do that without peds, sorry. To me it is completely obvious that he was roided to the grills.

 

I never said he wasn't on PEDs. They all are.

 

The growth in that physique and head size in mid 30s can't be called just suspicion. Forget the performance in the ring, his changed appearance was the most absurd thing.

 

Just a swarmer.

 

Elite power does not by definition mean knockouts, Knockouts are a by product of having elite power but does not define elite power, among the elite in Pac's era his power was highly respected and that alone tells you it was elite. Out of his first 62 fights he had 39 knockouts and by the same token, Mike Tyson had 44 knockouts out of 58 fights. Not much difference there. Saying that knockouts is the only measure of elite power is ludicrous.

 

He was always a speedy volume puncher with power since he was young. Those did not end with 1,300 counts or so because those ended early. It was always his style from the beginning. A non-speedster like Margo could also produce such output.

Of course his bout with Margo would result to a very high count, since Margo was bigger with high threshold durability compared to Manny, who kept coming forward with no head movement, slipping, etc. He was easier to hit, and the ref refused to stop it.

Likewise with Clottey who kept moving forward with a very tight guard with thick arms to cover him. Such was easier to land punches too. So for 12 rounds, the count accumulated.

 

1300 punches in a 12 rounds fight is not something common at all, let alone in several fights in a row. I've seen some people able to produce 1300 punches a fight . Not many, but there are some of them.

But I've never NEVER EVER seen anyone to produce that throughtput sustaining that speed and that snap. I've never witnessed something similar and I dont care about if there are proofs or not, I dont believe that it can be done without being roided to the grills, and by "roids" I mean whatever substance they use to achieve that.

 

I did. I often saw Manny fight live on weekly TV boxing when he was young. That was always his style. He was not cerebral, just overwhelm and overwhelm. Margo could also produce such output himself with his own punches maintaining the same energy for 12 rounds, IIRC.

 

I never said that margarito was not on something. He threw 1600+ punches vs clottey.

Clottey probably has the biggest foolish face in boxing history, when everybody and his mom seem to think that they can roid like no tomorrow vs him with no consequences.

 

Until Montreal that is.
But he was always more heavy handed than explosive.

Much much more skilled than pacquiao though,
Just nowhere near as dedicated and just moved up above 147 by getting fat instead of gaining muscle.

 

Duran was super explosive at lightweight though. His reflexes at 135lbs are the best that I have seen this side of Roy Jones. His handspeed was also in Pacquiao's league at this weight.