Myth: Roberto Duran has a better resume than Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao.

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  1. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    If you think Floyd managed to get away with an IV for every blood test against Pacquiao, and then needed a TUE for the one after the weigh in, I've got a bridge to sell you.
     
  2. No_name_tard

    No_name_tard Active Member Full Member

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    Leonard and Laing are nothing like the other 2, or like each other.
     
  3. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    There is a thread of continuity there.

    He was fighting the most dangerous opponents available when they were at their most dangerous.

    Not picking them off when they were young, or waiting for them to get old.
     
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  4. Loudon

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    I would agree to that.

    But I don't know about several.

    Who have you got in mind?


    However, even if we can agree on this, he doesn't have anybody on the level of the other 2 versions of Leonard who Duran fought, as well as the versions of Hagler and Hearns who Duran fought. Duran fought absolute prime versions of those guys.


    Benitez would also be interesting.
     
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  5. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    If I was a little sharper?

    It is you who has no knowledge of the situation.


    Read carefully:

    NOBODY has said that Floyd took steroids after the weigh-in.


    Floyd took an IV.

    Now both the amount that he'd taken, as well as in the timeframe which it was taken in, is prohibited by both WADA and VADA.

    Why?

    Because IVs of that magnitude have been used as a masking agent to flush out a cycle of PEDS which have already been administered beforehand.

    Also, IVs of that magnitude have to be taken in a medical facility, and administered by a medical professional.

    The athletes also have to first notify the commission, before then receiving their permission in order for them to be granted.


    Here's the 2 things to look at:

    1. Floyd was not dehydrated to the point of needing that IV. (Nobody knowledgeable of his career is buying that)

    2. Even if it had have been 100% legit, he broke the rules set by WADA, VADA and the NSAC, as he took the IV in his home, and secretly, without notifying anyone.


    All the information above is factual which can be backed up.

    Now you need to acquaint yourself with those facts.

    Because the fact that you think that I'm claiming that he took steroids after the weigh-in, tells us all that you don't understand what happened.
     
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  6. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    over 600 pages, man. Duran was a real fighter. Guy had over 100 fights, fought everybody. Floyd was more of a business man who was clever in matchmaking . Duran is the greater fighter.
     
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  7. Loudon

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    He did need a TUE though.

    This is the issue, and why everything was such a mess.

    The whole relationship with USADA wasn’t above board.

    Nobody knows how many IVs he had, and at what point.

    But after USADA had gone to his home and found evidence of an IV, Floyd and his team admitted that they had been administered. And it was at that point, that both Floyd and USADA needed to cover themselves officially.

    So that’s what happened. A TUE was applied for, and a waiver was granted. But not until after the fight had taken place.

    It was then presented to the NSAC.

    So: 3 weeks after the fight, the NSAC was informed that Floyd had taken an IV on the 1st of May, and that an application and an exemption had been granted as of yesterday.

    So how bad does that sound?

    How bad does that look?

    Both Floyd and USADA knew of the IV after the weigh-in, yet the NSAC only became aware of it 3 weeks later.

    Yet you still want to believe that everything was legit and nothing was amiss.

    Open your eyes.

    The whole thing was a joke.
     
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  8. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Are you trying to tell me that Kirkland Laing was better than Canelo Alvarez?
     
  9. NoNeck

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    Canelo
    Pacquiao
    Corrales
    Oscar
    Castillo

    Leonard was washed and ready to get his ass kicked by Norris.
     
  10. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Pretty sure you said he was on steroids. Now you walked it back and are mad at Floyd being allowed to rehydrate.
     
  11. Loudon

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    The Norris fight was 2 years later.

    Yes, both Leonard and Duran were faded in 1989.

    What about the other versions of Leonard, and the versions of Hearns and Hagler who Duran had fought?

    You can’t find any of Floyd’s opponents who can match those.
     
  12. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    What are you talking about?

    Are you even reading the posts?


    Every piece of information points to Floyd having taken PEDS.


    So let’s be clear:

    I 100% believe that he took PEDS.


    However, the IV wasn’t used to take PEDS.

    The IV was taken to mask the PEDS that he’d taken beforehand.


    I hope that this clears up any misunderstanding.


    No, Floyd did not rehydrate with an illegal IV taken in secret.

    Don’t be ridiculous.
     
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  13. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    The point of this thread is to statistically prove who had the better resume. Perhaps you should start a thread about who fought the better fighters. Duran went 1-5 against the who's whos of the division. Iran Barkely and Hamsho did better against those guys.
     
  14. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Truthfully, I've probably read less than half of what you've written. You need to figure out how to be concise and omit your personal opinions.

    So you're going with Floyd having used IVs to pass a series of USADA tests, but also getting "caught" at the only time when an IV for dehydration would've made sense. I find that interesting.
     
  15. kingfisher3

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    sounds like bs to me.

    floyd hasn't beat an opponent with physical size or unreasonable stamina since..........