Myth: Roberto Duran has a better resume than Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao.

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  1. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    You’re a joke.

    It’s that simple.

    We could have a good, objective debate. But right from the outset you made it obvious that you weren’t at all open to one.
     
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  2. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Ha!

    The BoxRec algo?

    I despair.

    A few years ago, the same BoxRec algo had Joe Calzaghe listed in the top 10 P4P fighters of all time.

    I think that he was ranked at number 7.

    Hilarious.
     
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  3. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Joe Calzaghe is at 27. Don't get mad at mathematical formulas and numbers, unless you have a better algo.
     
  4. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    We don’t need an algorithm you fool.

    Nobody in their right mind would have Calzaghe anywhere near the top 30.

    Again, in recent years, Calzaghe has been at 7, De La Hoya has been at 6, and Hopkins has been in the top 5.

    You’ve got to be trolling.

    Even a fool like you can’t endorse the BoxRec algorithm.

    They’re a laughing stock.
     
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  5. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    NN nonchalantly and somehow without embarrassment trolls on looking to break the 50 page mark. Can he keep goading people into replies and ultimately reach his 50 page nirvana?

    Stay tuned.......
     
  6. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    You chose the only possible parameters where you can pretend Mayweather's is better. It's clear as day, and you refusing to actually debate the point is proving that.
     
  7. Mastrangelo

    Mastrangelo Active Member Full Member

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    Like I wrote before - my knowledge on the 70s is limited, but I did little boxrec capping, still staying within your rating system and noticed You missed out on or mixed up some things:

    Roberto Duran
    * Hector Thompson was ranked in top 5 at 140 in 1973.
    * You didn't include Vilomar Fernandez win for Duran. Vilomar was ranked in top 5 at lightweight in both 76 and 77 (When Duran beat him)
    * You didn't include Saoul Mamby, who was ranked number 10 at 140 in 1976.
    * In 1978, Adolfo Viruet was ranked in top 10 at 140. You put that win in "2-5" category. Duran has 2 wins over Edwin Viruet in addition.

    Some admittedly more questionable cases:
    * Leoncio Ortiz was ranked top 10 at 140 in 1975. Not sure why at that weight-class to be honest, since 4 out of his last fight were at lightweight limit.
    * Guts Ishimatsu is not ranked in 1973 looking at annual ratings, but I suspect those ratings are given for start of the year. Doesn't make much sense that Shinichi Kadota would be in top 10 at the time when Duran fought Ishimatsu, since Ishimatsu beat Kadota in their last fight.
    * Joseph Nsubuga was ranked in top 10 in 1979. Duran beat him January 1980. I think that's why He was knocked off the ratings and likely was still in top 10 coming into the fight.

    Manny Pacquiao
    * Shane Mosley was ranked number 10 in 2011, You have him listed as top 5 win for Pacquiao.
    * Barrera wasn't top guy in the division in 2007, when Pacquiao beat him in a rematch. He was coming off a loss to Marquez. Interestingly, The Ring doesn't even have him in top 10 in 2008, so by your standards this win shouldn't be included in any category.
    * Oscar De La Hoya wasn't ranked in top 5 at 154(or any other division) in 2008. He probably should be ranked as top 5 win for Floyd, on the other hand.
     
  8. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It's like Groundhog Day mate and were never any closer to a conclusion.
     
  9. Mod-Mania

    Mod-Mania Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Beating Leonard and Barkley at 160>>>>>anything Floyd or Pac did.
     
  10. No_name_tard

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    Just to correct something that I posted above. Ernesto Marcel was in fact ranked when Duran fought him. These are the WBA featherweight rankings from May 8, 1970. A week before the Duran-Marcel fight. Not quite the unknown Panamanian.

    Shozo Saijo (WBA Champion)
    #1 . Johnny Famechon (WBC Champion)
    #2 . Vicente Saldivar
    #3 . Jose Legra
    #4 . Antonio Gomez
    #5 . Godfrey Stevens
    #6 . Raul Cruz
    #7 . Frankie Crawford
    #8 . Miguel Herrera
    #9 . Eder Jofre
    #10. Ernesto Marcel
     
  11. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Review post 1 and tell me what’s wrong with it.
     
  12. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Patently false. He’s better than Duran h2h, and it’s quite obvious at 147 and higher.
     
  13. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Canelo would have a field day with Barkley. Duran went 1-2 against Leonard and quit once.
     
  14. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    If he was the 11th guy in the division and in the wrong weightclass, he doesn’t qualify for a category.

    Even you know how weak it is to point out that he was 11 at 126 for a 130 fight. Thanks for the contribution though.
     
  15. No_name_tard

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    It wasn't a 130 fight for the last time. Non-title fights at featherweight happened without a weight limit. You are also arguing semantics. 10th guy, 11th guy. Ranked opposition is ranked opposition. That's the same way Ring also ranked fighters. You can't just change the logic, which you yourself used to "draft" the significance of their opposition, once it stops serving you.