Tyson Luke Fury vs. Francis Zavier Ngannou

Yes, boxers and mma guys spar all the time and they ar enot getting knocked out in every session.

We´ve seen in Kickboxing similar stories, a guy that fought in MMA only goes to kickboxing and do very well at the high level. It´s because the standing up fighting arts are NOT like the grappling arts, standing up arts like Boxing and Kickboxing....well... sorry, but they rely on athleticism a lot, the art or the science goes only to a certain point, all the rest are due to physical attributes, and a freak of nature like Ngannou, that can fight and always trained his hands, would do well in a boxing fight...sure. Why not ?

Now, if you put Djokovic in the ring against Beterbiev, whatever is Djokovic´s weight, Djokovic is getting knocked out in a few seconds... but he is tennis player.

 

Blob Fury is a shameful disgrace to the sport and its fans

 

The fight should probably have been a draw. Fury should have been ashamed, not boxing. Stipe took Ngannou apart with some fairly basic boxing and kicking .... Fury should have annihilated him. Instead Fury went and trained with Dustin Nichols at an all you can eat BBQ buffet and embarrassed himself.

 

When you meet such a physical monster that your punches and even your desperate elbows just bounce off with zero effect , this guy is EASILY able to lever your entire body out in a try to clinch him and simultany this guy is the guiness book record holder in punching power you might just run out of options .

Ngannou has also plenty of fighting experience so a good ring iq and judgement of his own stamina .

Future might tell but he might be a nightmare for every boxer . It appears its next to impossible to stop him so only outboxing is realistic

 

Why should I be embarrassed for a fat fraud POS that can't hack it at the top level anymore? Fury takes all this embarrassment on himself.

 

"the opponent was way more dangerous than people were making out"

Indeed. This was one of my posts before the fight:


Which of these three would you take to KO Joshua if your life depended on it?

Jermaine Franklin (part time factory worker, didn’t stop Pavel Sour over the full 10 rounds, who was smoked in 3 by Hughie, in 2 by Gorman and in 1 by Kabayel)

Carlos Takam (didn’t drop or stop any of his 11 best opponents, including Yoka and Forrest and didn’t drop or stop MMA journeyman Maldonado over the 10 round distance under boxing rules)

Francis Ngannou (GOAT MMA HW KO artist, has held the world record on a “PowerKube” punching machine since 2017)


Many/most low IQ and dishonest boxing fans were saying things like "none of them would have a chance", as if 1. They wouldn't pick one if their life actually depended on it 2. They wouldn't pick Ngannou, who they knew deep down was probably the most dangerous hence they didn't pick Takam over him

It was obvious from this hypothetical that Ngannou was more dangerous than many or most "high level boxing opponents". The bookies weren't entirely fooled either, hence Ngannou was a 7/1 underdog and not 25/1 as Ruiz would have been.

 

Stipe got smashed to bits by Ngannou when it was largely confined to boxing, he beat Ngannou in the first fight with wrestling. Ngannou would have been one of the best/most dangerous contenders in the Klitschko era, especially as Wlad couldn't grab and foul him like Povetkin and the other midgets.

 

Ngannou’s attributes (pre-Fury)

6’4, 83 inch reach, 272 lbs ripped

Phenomenal clinch fighter/wrester by boxing standards

Switch hitter

Big power in both hands: most dangerous puncher in MMA history, has held the world record on a “PowerKube” punching machine since 2017

Highly durable: never dropped or stopped in 21 MMA/kickboxing fights

14-15 years striking experience (MMA and boxing), sparred Takam (since Ngannou’s pre-UFC days) and Joyce

Lineal UFC heavyweight champion, three world title fights

Pressure on experienced boxers not to get beaten by an MMA fighter in a mega event

Easy to underestimate: 7/1 underdog, MMA fighter, 17-3 record, 37 years old, 21 months inactive, 0-0 as a boxer, deliberately looked terrible on the pads during the public workouts, wild swinging highlight reel MMA KO’s, outstruck by D. Lewis and Gane, gassed badly against Miocic 1, only one (close) win past 10 minutes in 21 MMA/kickboxing fights

Ngannou was entirely focused on champion Fury, whereas Fury was thinking ahead to Usyk, trying hard to avoid being dropped for a 2nd time, taking serious damage, getting cut etc.

No boxing footage to study, whereas team Ngannou had been studying Fury as a potential opponent since 2021 at the latest

 

Ngannou is that chef that knew how to cook well everything but always had a natural talent for cooking meat. Then he gained a prize and spent 1 year just specializing and only praticing cooking meat. He will be good !

MMA fighters have to train Boxing, they do train boxing a lot because they have to, and that is a praise to boxing, and only boxing people react with this snobbish attitude. Other arts are proud that MMA fighters HAVE to train them in order to be sucessful. There is no MMA champion that doesn´t train boxing, sometimes with world class BOXING coaches too like Roach !!!
And practice is everything in fighting.
I tell you one thing, if Ngannou cameback to MMA now, he probably lost some of the practice on the other non-boxing elements now, he would need some time to re-adjust back to MMA otherwise he would look bad and lose to guys that he could beat in the past.
Yes, we are talking about practice. Not a game, we're talking about practice, man.

 

I rewatched this fight again recently - Fury’s performance is indefensible. Ngannou was much better than advertised and than previous MMA fighters. However he’s still a slow heavyweight with very limited movement and highly inexperienced in terms of professional boxing experience.

Fury looked dreadful and I reckon a lot of top heavyweights would have a washed that version of him. There’s a reason they’ve had to delay the Usyk fight as they know it’s a much much harder fight than the Ngannou one. I’m shocked people are defending him at all, but unsurprised to see the usual triangle theory drivel from the site’s leading troll above.

Honestly this was far more embarrassing than AJ’s loss to Ruiz.

 

It's not a shock to me that someone who has been boxing for 14-15 years can have success at the highest level in a boxing ring. Puritty and Rahman beat Wlad and Lewis on less, Foreman crushed Frazier and Norton on less still etc.

 

And that fight was 5 years ago. In 5 years you can reach your full potential at anything. I can be a noobie in history and reach a world class scholar level in 5 years.

Ngannou fought pro Kickboxing, man !!
When thai fighters jump from Muay Thai to Boxing and became champions like many, in just a couple of years, nobody talks nothing, this has been happening for ages. It makes no sense this crazy talk about "Fury destroying boxing credibility" or whatever as if Fury fought Tiger Woods there.

I think Fury got overrated through the years, by many, mostly because he is marketable, he is british, and the Wilder fights were great, but he was never that good, with all the things considered in Ngannou, you can understand that fight.

I did pick Fury, I was very surprised by Ngannou winning several rounds, but now I realize that this was more about Boxing people not knowing MMA, and what MMA fighters do on a daily basis (train boxing), than anything. It was a super smart move by whoever manages Ngannou.
And tell you what, they probably knew it because Ngannou for sure sparred boxing champions before and did just fine.

 

"I think Fury got overrated through the years, by many, mostly because he is marketable, he is british"

Fury has been massively underrated: Chisora 1, Price, Haye, Wlad, Wlad 2, Joshua, Wilder 1 and Wilder 2 were favoured to beat him. He still doesn't get the credit he deserves and won't get it until he's been retired for several years. He may well be even more underrated now he's just had a bad performance, similar to the Wallin or Cunningham fights, Pajkic, McDermott etc.

As I said, Puritty and Rahman didn't just give Wlad and Lewis good fights after starting boxing in their 20's and having only 8-10 years experience, they KO'd Wlad and Lewis. With Ngannou's unprecedented attributes of course he's dangerous.

 

I was though, because Fury (in my mind) had everything to beat Ngannou. I was surprised on the other hand about how big Ngannou is comapred with Fury, so Fury was fighting a bigger Samuel Peter there, even though less polished than Peter.

Fury lost many rounds because he was surprised, Fury is mentally tough but he is not a focused guy in the ring, he has lapses in concentration, it took him too much to figured out that Ngannou was not a easy opponent. I watched his interview with Rio Ferndinand before the fight and he said "if I lose it would be like your team losing 7-0 to Liverpool B" which at the time I though "wow this is a exageration, not like that at all, the guy can throw hands well"
I feel like he bought his own hype, and he is down to earth now and this is one of the reason that IMO he is beating and stopping Usyk.

 

Oh I disagree. I don´t rate too much any of Fury´s opponent except Wlad. If Fury was a quiet man, and I don´t know, italian, just a example, he would be shitted on just like Carnera was in his day.
His boxing ability "oh he outboxed Wilder" and this and that, got overrated, for me he was never that great boxer-puncher that could move and was slick... what ? No. He is the guy that punched himself in the face with a uppercut and gets caught by a wide punch every fight.

Hey, just me, he was underrated when he was fighting Cunningham, then he got overrated because of the Wilder fights.... now he is possibly being underrated because people that dislike MMA are just pissed with him and can´t wrap their head around what happened.