Tyson Luke Fury vs. Francis Zavier Ngannou

Fury is prone to underestimate opponents and feel invulnerable, that's a major difference between him and say Wlad. Wlad would always have a proper training camp and take an opponent seriously, even if it were someone like Leapai or a sparring partner he'd already beaten up like Pianeta. In terms of Fury's concentration in the ring, it has to be good or he'd have got KO'd by now.

The Sam Peter comparison has some merit. Peter was regarded as a very crude fighter and much smaller than Ngannou, yet he took Wlad life and death. And he didn't have the wrestling/clinch fighting of Ngannou either, which would have spelled huge problems for Wlad given how much he grappled to beat Peter.

 

He gets caught by wide haymakers every fight since he started his career. It´s a abnormal number of KDs.

 

"Carnera"

Yawn.

If Carnera had been born 80-odd years later and schooled Wlad Klitschko, breaking a Compubox defensive record in the process, he'd have been rated a lot more highly than he was.

"No. He is the guy that punched himself in the face with a uppercut."

Wlad punched himself with an uppercut too, as did Povetkin. This was cited as a reason by many forum geniuses why Fury wasn't any good and why Price would KO him.

 

"every fight since he started his career"

Dumb exaggeration. How many times did Chisora 2 or Hammer for instance catch him with a wide haymaker? Or the guy he fought on his debut?

A lot of it is due to underestimation. He thought Pajkic, Cunningham and Ngannou were easy work. Even Wilder 3 he didn't respect nearly enough. When Fury's been 100% focused and prepared, he's hardly got hit.

"a abnormal number of KDs."

1. Wlad and Wilder are two of the biggest punchers ever, both 6'5+ and athletic, Olympic medallists, Ngannou may well be in that broad bracket too

2. If you get up then you're more likely to get knocked down again than a fighter who stays on the floor

 

Wait, we are comparing Fury to who ?
If you are comparing him with the rest of the modern bunch, okay, he is great. Now, in my head, I´m thinking about the greats of all time, which in itself is a praise to Fury already.

He beat Wlad fair and square. Even though he did a "anti-boxing" type of fight that I very much dislike. But, he is the man that beat the man first.

 

"I´m thinking about the greats of all time"

Their careers can easily be shredded and deconstructed if one pleases. In terms of ability, I think Fury is the best there's been thus far.

The Ngannou fight doesn't have negative implications in that regard. People assume that a 6'3, 217 lbs Foreman would beat a 6'4, 272 lbs, roided to the gills Ngannou, when I think it's more likely that Foreman (who was heavily dependent on being the bigger, stronger man in his day) would get KO'd. At the very least we have to admit that the old fighters never fought anyone remotely like many of these modern fighters.

 

Chisora and Hammer ? C´mon, these are journeymen, I not knocking Fury down for getting drop by Wilder, he is a freak for surviving that, but he is considered a classic boxer, with good footwork and defensive moves, inside that line of thought, he gets dropped too much by punches that are too wide and he should have seen coming (and by albanian journeymen or guys that are not close to his level).
My explanation is a lack of concentration... yours is ??

 

If it were general lack of concentration then Wlad or Wilder would have KO'd him over 4 fights away from home. I'd say it's more of a tendency toward underestimation. He was also more susceptible to the right hand in the Cunningham days and before. The fact that they signed to fight Haye next means that they weren't worried about Fury's concentration or defence in a fight he'd take seriously.

 

Okay, that is fair. You are a big Fury fan though, keep that in mind. You almost took a guy (me) who praised your guy Fury and turned him into an antagonist. Not a good job by you if you want people rating Fury higher right now.

Fury gets overrated by some still, in the end, is my conclusion with this debate.

 

"Fury gets overrated by some still"

Some, sure. If someone said that Fury will KO Usyk inside 3 rounds (and there must be a few), then I'd say they were almost certainly overrating Fury (or at least underrating Usyk).

 

Fury struggled with MMA fighter debut Ngannou. That's the only true fact. Ngannou hasn't fought anyone else in the top. Says nothing about Foreman

 

I believe Fury can very well get a stoppage against Usyk. Not inside 3 rounds, but the moves, the punches, everything Usyk did against Joshua, won´t translate to a fight against Fury. He will miss the punches he landed on Joshua for some reasons I have in mind.
It is how I pick fights, as someone that likes to bet, I´ve been fine doing so.

 

Got any bets this weekend coming up? I like Kabayel to win at 8/1 and Parker to win inside 6 rounds at 25/1.

 

Joshua vs Wallin to go the distance.
If I had to bet in some big odd like that I would go for the Hrgovic fight going the distance too, but I not doing it.

 

LOL I wonder if Wlad ever visits the luxurious apartments he has in Dinovelvet's head.