I don't rate otto wallin

Gassievs team offered the fight to Wallin, not the other way around.

 

"If I was an EE fanboy I’d support Wlad"

You do, hence you try to bend over backwards to give him 5 rounds against Fury, when the mean score of hardcore fans is 1-2 rounds. Whenever you complain about corruption it's Loma not being P4P No.1 or being robbed, pro-Usyk, Golovkin, Kovalev allegedly taking a dive against Canelo etc.

"Many have valid excuses because many fighters pick and choose when their opponents are “weak” or at a disadvantage."

If anyone was handpicked in that fight it was Wallin. Gassiev was the clear A-side, hence he was a better than 70-30 favourite. Wallin was also willing to fight Whyte in London, who was a similar favourite. But Gassiev was never all that, significantly inferior to Chisora if the Usyk fights are any metric, so Wallin comfortably outboxed him and even hurt Gassiev. All of the cards had it closer than the fan scoring consensus, of course (except the one that had it 9-3 Gassiev).

"you actually believe Wilder has a good resume which means you cannot be reasoned with"

In some ways he does. He's the only man who hasn't exclusively lost to Fury, "ATG" Wlad can't say that. He's only lost to one man, who is the consensus No.1 and unbeaten. He's beaten everyone else he's fought, 42/43 by stoppage. Ortiz is a better win than Povetkin ever had in his career, ditto Haye, probably ditto Vitali. Wilder's heavyweight record is only surpassed by at most a handful of champions in the last 20 years and he's still going. "Resume analysis" is also not objective, there are many factors involved and it's subjective how much you choose to weight them. How many points does AJ lose for getting battered by taco tits Ruiz? How many points do you lose for a quitjob? It's heavily opinion-based.

 

Indeed. Gassiev wasn't getting many rounds in those fights but he didn't going into the Lebedev fight either. Team Gassiev wouldn't have gone for the Wallin fight if they didn't think they were going to win and they knew he was a good mover, schooled Breazeale and gave Fury a tough distance fight. These are just sour grapes excuses from guys who overwhelmingly picked Gassiev to win by KO, knowing he hadn't had a lot of rounds going in.

 

Disagree about Parker. JP was seen as a legitimate contender to hoist major straps (he did hold the WBO belt for 16 months) until his frankly tepid performance against Joshua. He's settled into his gatekeeper role due to further losses.

Nobody ever believed that Wallin would make it past the fringes as a contender.

 

Parker didn’t do anything of note to end up with that belt.

He never had a chance against Fury, Wilder, or Joshua though, who were the division’s elite back then.

The Whyte loss was too poorly officiated for me to count it against him. He probably overachieved slightly with the Ruiz win, but the circumstances were in his favor at the time.

 

Well, obviously he's not the biggest threat out there. Otherwise why would AJ be fighting him?
The 'team' are familiar with him and believe they can win comfortably.

But why try to ruin Wallin's confidence just before the fight? That's not helping the cause.

 

He still had the training camps.

 

Was a weak scene at the time compared to now. Fair play to Parker and what he did but I genuinely think Wallin could have done all that.

 

theres more to wallin than what meets the eye.

 

Wallin is top 10 by every organization, bar WBO, where he is number 12. He is top 10 in the Ring as well. Number 2 by the IBF, and he is literally a mandatory for the title when it become vacant.
Wallin has a top chin(not granite or so, but prolly Chisora level), so he may very well survive all 12 rounds. I also think Wallin will be beyond scared. He is going to pop the jab and be on the backfoot. He is fast, and move well, but nothing exceptional. He doesn't move side to side, and his retreat is straight back, which going to hurt him against someone with greater reach than him.

What i don't get though is after Fury fight against him, he suddenly become an avoided man and no one wanted to fight him. Now when AJ is about to fight him, he somehow suddenly is a bum.

And while he clearly doesn't posses much power, he clearly hurt Fury in the 12 round. He busted his face, aka make it a bloody mess, and was robbed of 100% deserved TKO win.

 

No - I’ve already stated multiple times before Wlad is overrated and can’t take a punch by guys he outweighs by 20-30lbs. Wlad and Vitali are overrated

Or maybe because these EE fighters get shafted by promoters trying to scam people with their often American weight bully hype jobs.

Loma was robbed by Haney and Lopez, guys he was outweighed by 20lbs+. Do you want to point to a fighter in the US/UK or wherever who has beaten guys at high level with that weight disadvantage? It’s not about him being EE, it’s the fact he deserves these victories and should receive more praise

Pro-Usyk? What are you talking about? He’s one of the only guys beating top level opposition whilst being heavily outweighed. Clearly the most skilled HW out there. GGG was robbed twice against Canelo, that’s not being a EE fanboy that’s just pointing out fact. Canelo fans are ******s and don’t know how to score fights.

Kovalev straight up came to lose against Canelo. I don’t know why you’re trying to point that out as an example of me being an EE fanboy, as plenty thought that was fishy. Even Badou Jack and Eubank mentioned a possible fix

 

"Wlad and Vitali are overrated"

Because you don't like the most prominent fighters they lost to.

"Loma was robbed by Haney and Lopez"

Lopez won fair and square, Loma didn't get going until the 7th round. You can replay the fight in 0.25 as much as you like to make yourself feel better, fights are scored in real time and Loma wasn't throwing punches for most of it.

"guys he was outweighed by 20lbs+"

No one forced Loma to fight at 135. He went in fully aware that Lopez and Haney were huge cutters and much bigger naturally. He was also aware that the politics were against him. His arrogance and desire to chase bigger paydays at lightweight cost him.

"GGG was robbed twice against Canelo"

Certainly in fight 1 but this is the case whenever you have an away/B-side fighter. Castano got the same treatment in Charlo 1. Fighters who go to the UK or Germany or Eastern Europe get robbed. Golovkin had less excuse than most because he had bone-crushing power and was best placed to take it out of the hands of the judges. But he went into Canelo 2 as a boxer-mover instead, had a closer fight and predictably lost on the cards.

"Kovalev straight up came to lose against Canelo."

The corruption and opportunism was getting him on a rehydration clause and coming off taking significant damage against Yarde, with three mentally taxing losses on his record, plus the alcohol and criminal charges. Team Canelo wouldn't have needed all of this if Kovalev were just taking a dive. It also doesn't fit with the facts, being that "unknown Russian" Bivol schooled A-side "face of boxing" Canelo and got the decision.

"He’s one of the only guys beating top level opposition whilst being heavily outweighed."

If a guy who quit in 7 against Ruiz constitutes top opposition. Wilder has always been heavily outweighed, you've never sung his praises. Had he been a "Denis Wildov" I suspect it would be very different.

 

He came out of nowhere to give Fury a tough night's work, then beat solid fighters in Breazeale and Gassiev. He's Top 10-15 easily. Decent if very unexciting fighter. AJ's toughest test yet in his rebuilding.

 

Who quit in 7 against Ruiz?

 

Wlad didn’t have outstanding wins stop deluding yourself. Name me three impressive victories

I’ve been through this is a thousand times that’s not exactly how I scored it and that’s not what happened. I’ve been through the rounds multiple times, you’re just straight up wrong. I’m repeating myself at this point as I’m sure you’ve seen my posts. Loma won rounds 2 and 6 he objectively landed the more frequent and clean punches as I’ve timestamped on several occasions. Loma did next to nothing in rounds 1, 3,4 and 5 , yet you fail to mention so did Lopez. He was following him around hitting at most arms and elbows and maybe landed 1-3 shots on Loma, primarily body shots (whilst Loma was often riding the shots) because he was just not skilled enough to land headshots on Loma.

You’re just sidestepping the point I made with some irrelevant comment. Who else is beating top guys 20lbs more than them? That is extremely difficult to do (something Wlad never did)..Loma Usyk and Inoue are some of the only fighters doing this.