Did Ali's corner cheat?

It gave Cooper more time too, Ali would have prevailed regardless

 

It's a myth, sadly. The gloves weren't replaced. The referee called for fresh ones to be brought, but then immediately waved the fight on. The delay was no more than a few seconds.

 

I thought this thread would be about the smelling salts- as the replaced glove myth was debunked years ago (although Ali was key among those perpetrating this myth).

 

What was it in the end - less than 12 extra seconds between rounds?

The contention should be that smelling salts were banned over here, at the time, I believe, but still legal across the pond. Ali's corner earned their wages that night - a bit like Tunney's long count and Douglas' long count - we were always told play to the whistle growing up.

Storm in a teacup.

 

It os okay with me that you want to promote your “Daily Motion channel”, but please stick to facts. There was no replacement of glove and only a few extra seconds extra rest period. Regarding the smelling salts, I have hever found out when it was prohibited in Great Britain. For example it was used by Karl Mildenbergers seconds in the Cooper fight years later.

 

Hmmm ... Interesting.

It's one of those things that I've heard but never bothered to research cos it's such a small point in my mind.

 

Six i think mate, but there's no doubt Angelo 'sought' to buy more time as Clay, as Harry said "didn't know where he was", although seeing Burton & Taylor at ringside, he probably thought he was on the set of "Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf" which hadn't even be made yet (that's how groggy he was!). But yeah, I thought this thread was going to be about the illegal 'smellies' myself.

 

Maybe it was a myth but yes, Dundee said so and he did so according to him, and braged about it and complained that Muhammad never thanked him for it. It would be weird to make such a thing up, so I believe Dundee tbh, maybe he did something like that but made the story bigger. But making it 100% up out of the blue ?

You can call cheating if you want to, but many people would do that, maybe Cooper´s corner too would do that, by the way. So, it is like that.
I blame the referee. I can´t pretend every other champ didn´t do similar things during its career.

Of course, there is a limit, what Margarito did was on another level. What Dundee did ? It was different.

It was wrong but I´m very realistic, I can´t pretend that Dundee did what nobody else would do.

 

It did happen, it's on the footage. And Ali's corner didn't hide this and it was part of their equipment. e.g. Angelo Dundee in an interview before the Liston rematch spoke about the kit he kept in his pockets: "Q-tips, gauge pads, ointment, cotton, smelling salts, autographed photo of Baby Arizmendi & Larry Fine, etc"

 

Cooper wasn’t the one who was just knocked down and seriously buzzed.

 

Does that work though ? The salts have that power ?

 

It's professional boxing, not a game of cricket or mah jongg. You do what you have to do and you do what you can get away with until you're told to stop. And anyone who's shocked by that would probably be shocked gambling was going on in Casablanca.

 

Well, yeah, it will certainly give you a boost and make you more alert. But like i said, Angelo didn't hide that this was part of their kit and even still don't hide it when it's being administered (by Chickie Ferrera I believe) but i think it'd been banned by the BBBC since around 1950.