Michael Spinks vs. Mike Weaver in 1982 … it could have happened

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  1. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Props to @AntonioMartin1 for posting the Spinks-Mustafa Wassaja video on the ‘what fights did you watch/score’ today thread, because it made me aware that Spinks’ promoter, Butch Lewis, had offered $1M-plus to Weaver for a shot at the WBA heavyweight title.

    This was Spinks’ second light heavyweight title defense on the way to 10 before he would move up to challenge (and beat) Larry Holmes. That was 3 1/2 years after the Wassaja fight.

    I have no memory of ever knowing this or hearing about it at the time or since. Michael weighed a comfortable 173 3/4 for Wassaja and was actually 172 for his next outing vs. Murray Sutherland. So weight wasn’t an issue. Either Michael, his promoter Lewis or both wanted the challenge and the bigger money.

    So what if it had happened? Spinks was 25 years old and would have presumably had to beef up (as he later did for Holmes) to fight a true heavy.

    Weaver, for his part, won the WBA title in October 1980 by stopping Gerrie Coetzee. He didn’t defend (vs. James Tillis) for a full year — partly because he signed to fight Gerry Cooney, but that bout was halted by a court ruling that upheld the WBA’s edict that he first had to face Tillis. After Tillis in October ‘81, he was out of the ring until losing the title in a prematurely stopped first-round TKO at the hands of Michael Dokes in December of 1982.

    So we’re talking about Spinks-Weaver taking place probably six months or so after the Tillis fight.

    Could Spinks have pulled it off? I’d say he would more likely come in around 180 at this stage, or the low 180s. Weaver was weighing somewhere between just below 210 and around 215.

    This Spinks has better legs/knees than the one who fought Holmes, was younger and fresher, but also isn’t likely to gain quite as much weight quite as well as he did for Larry. He’s also greener, though clearly both awkward and talented.

    Could he pull it off at this stage?
     
  2. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Spinks may have outpointed a rusty Weaver. Weaver was slow on his feet and Tillis made him look silly at times with his foot speed. Tillis gassed or he probably would have won. Spinks proved later on he could use funky movement to disrupt a fading Holmes.

    Spinks would have to gain the weight the right way and devise a good strategy like he did later against Holmes.

    Lewis may have been looking for big bucks since the Saad unification fight fell through and a unification fight with the newly established Braxton wasn't on the cards yet.

    Weaver won the title by knocking out John Tate in March 1980. He knocked out Coetzee in his first defense. Weaver holding the title for 2 years and 9 months losing in only his third defense may be normal now but back then that was some freakish inactivity.
     
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  3. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Spinks had the skill and movement to win, but Weaver had the power to starch Spinks. Much like how Tyson starched him in 88. But Weaver wasn't as fast or skilled as a young Mike Tyson.
     
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  4. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Spinks is cute and steals the early rounds. By the fourth Weaver is beginning to lob big shots and they start landing in the fifth, completely tossing out Spinks' spastic rhythm. He tries holding more as the 6th opens, but Weaver is much bigger and stronger, a natural heavyweight, and during one of his little breaks Michael ends up getting nailed by a monster hook.

    Spinks panics and is subsequently made unconscious in 6.
     
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  5. AntonioMartin1

    AntonioMartin1 Jeanette Full Member

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    Thanks mate!
     
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  6. Bonecrusher

    Bonecrusher Lineal Champion Full Member

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    Spinks puts on a clinic, Weaver has slow feet and is a plodder. His only shot is a looping bomb. As always because of the Tyson fight people assume Spinks has a tissue paper chin, Larry Holmes got home some good shots in both their fights and Spinks managed to make it thru there. Cooney got blown through like a giant punching bag but since agendas seem to always go against Michael Spinks he gets absolutely zero credit for destroying Cooney. It is what it is. I think he makes Weaver look silly quite frankly and I like Weaver. He just will be looking for a knockout against a fighter that’s just not going to be there, a fighter that’s going to constantly break his rhythm, Spinks was the ultimate rhythm breaker. In Spinks, Weaver is fighting a fighter that he’s not going to know what angle he’s attacking from, Maybe he leaps in with a hook, maybe strait right hand. Spinks is technically proficient behind the jab, but his own awkwardness is a huge advantage in all of his fights, he’s also a fighter who’s fitness level is on another level so he’s not going to fade. Now Weaver could catch him. Carl Williams was absolutely piecing Weaver up and got caught and it was over with shortly after 3 knockdowns. But I don’t think Butch Lewis was in the habit of placing his charge in fights that he couldn’t win (forget the Tyson fight that was going to be his final fight, It was basically a cash out, and just too much money to not accept) so I’m sure if they were considering fighting Weaver, Eddie Futch had the game plan that would see him to victory. I’ll take Spinks by a WIDE decision. Happy holidays all.
     
  7. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Spinks was more talented and skilled. But Mike weaver was strong and persistent and could be dangerous all the way into the championship rounds. Coming from behind to stop a very good boxer and big man in John Tate in the 15th is one such instance that comes to mind. I’m not totally sure how this fight ends
     
  8. Bonecrusher

    Bonecrusher Lineal Champion Full Member

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    I think you might be the only person who hates Spinks as much as Larry Holmes lol. Have you ever picked him in a mythical fight!? It’s funny because by saying Weaver would stop him early is extremely surprising because even though I know you think Holmes won the second fight, that version of Holmes in my opinion is much better than any version of Weaver. Happy Holidays dude, we at the Michael Spinks fan club Forgive you.
     
  9. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I LOVE Michael at light heavyweight, quite possibly top 3 ATG in that division.

    I don't think much of any of Spinks' victories in thae heavyweight division, the only prime heavyweight he fought was Tyson, unless you count Steffan as anything but a joke defense.

    No offense to fans. Really.