Wilder excuses already started, when was Wilder Prime exactly?

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  1. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Previously, but against who? How you look is very much determine by your opponent as well. Previously he could have done this and that, but against D level truck drivers.

    Stop trying dude, the video with Molina and Szpilka outbox this fraud for 9 rounds never going to disappear from the Internet base, like the one with Herald f***** Sconiers.
     
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  2. lobk

    lobk Original ESB Member Full Member

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    This was going to happen no matter what. Parker would never be given the credit. Had this been a close fight 116 - 114 type fight people would still be screaming a prime Wilder would have won and that he is no longer prime.
     
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  3. Lesion of Doom

    Lesion of Doom Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Against my better judgment I am speaking to you as tho you are a rational person, and yet you keep posting fanboy nonsense like this.

    All fighters are declined at 38 and most are shot. Wilder, with inactivity and the Fury beatings, is done physically and mentally.

    Wilder was better in both Ortiz fights and two of the Fury fights. If you want to isolate his career to world class opponents. He was much worse against Parker.

    You are free to think he always sucked, but it’s silly to use the Parker bout as an example or to ignore Wilder’s age and inactivity.

    Likewise, if Joshua is fighting at 38 and looks bad, I will make the same defense of him.
     
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  4. Bokaj

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    Wlad and Ortiz being notable exceptions, of course.
     
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  5. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Agree Ortiz was a young man in his full prime when he face Wilder 1. And he was in his early 50, pardon 30 in the second fight.
    And let's completely ignore the facts about styles, skill wise, etc.

    I'm starting to think now, can your ability decline, if you didn't have any in the first place?
     
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  6. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Tell me do you see any difference in Wilder for real?
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    He literally expected Parker to be as stupid as Helenius and to dive head first into his right hand.

    Wilder was doing the exactly same thing, aka moving side-to-side like a complete **** hitting thin air with his jab(can we even call it a jab ?), and waiting for Parker to come to him, so he can counter him.

    So based on Wilder fans, he was still 36 there, not 38, so he must have been in his prime back then, right?

    And you know why we are missing the 37 year mark? Cause Usyk is hitting 37 in few days. But he is fully into his prime. Or maybe he hasn't reach it yet ? Who knows?

    Yeah as i said the only difference in Wilder, aka i have only right hand(just a straight one actually), is his level of opposition. The moment he steps up on the levels and he KO record goes dry.
     
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  7. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Nah, in the rematch against Ortiz he was the closest thing to prime Robinson we'll ever see at HW. He made the matrix look clumsy. Yesterday he was more comparable to Ali when he was 38.
     
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  8. BoxingViewer

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    Lennox Lewis was past it in his last bout against Vitali when he was 37 and won just by the skin of his teeth. Facts are facts. Wilder is 38 years of age. If you think age is irrelevant in boxing then hold all boxers by the same standard.
     
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  9. Kiwi Casual

    Kiwi Casual Well-Known Member Full Member

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    His last fight he got a first round KO. Quit the excuses.
     
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  10. Lesion of Doom

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    Wladimir wasn't declined at 38? He wasn't nearly the fighter he had been in the 2006-10 range, imo.
     
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    Freakish power against medically unfit fighters.
     
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  12. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wilder was probably at his absolute best in 2018/2019/2020 as an experienced but non-shopworn champion and around his best from 2015-2021. He was mentally ruined by the two KO defeats to Fury and was extremely inactive from February 2020 on, contesting 12 rounds across two fights in close to four years.
     
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  13. vast

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    Wilder and prime do not belong in the same sentence
     
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  14. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Breaking News the official excuses has started. So Frank Warren Claim WIlder may have caried an injury in the fight against Parker. :dogpile:

    'I was just talking to Shelly Finkel [Wilder's manager] and they were telling me that he had a problem. He went into one of those cryochambers and sat in it for a long time.

    Oh my f****** god. :jump:
     
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  15. elrond_buggard

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    Bit harsh to judge Parker on Chisora 1 when he dominated Chisora 2 (do we judge Lewis on Rahman 1?), and Joyce is a legit Top 10 and bad style matchup for Parker. Parker's flaws are inconsistency when it comes to doggedness. It can take a lot to 'wake him up' for a fight, like with Whyte, AJ etc.
     
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