Deontay Wilder: future Hall of Famer

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  1. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    1. 10 consecutive WBC heavyweight title defences over 5 years (2nd longest single reign since 1985 behind Wlad), best win being top 5 ranked, 30-0, 93% stoppage ratio southpaw Ortiz

    2. KO record (2nd highest KO % among heavyweight champions, lots of spectacular KO's, perhaps the most devastating right hand puncher ever)

    3. Historic trilogy with the 3 stone heavier then undefeated lineal champion Fury

    4. Most prominent American heavyweight this century thus far (ranked in Ring’s top 4 from Jan 2015-Dec 2023), restored a degree of prestige to the American heavyweight scene, the only American male boxer to win an Olympic medal from 2008-2012 (having started boxing when he was about to turn 20, with only 34 months' boxing experience when he won bronze), ended the 7.5 year American heavyweight title drought (by far the longest period without an American champion in heavyweight history), which in the absence of Wilder would be a 17.5 year drought and counting (barring the farcical 85 day “reign” of Charles Martin)
     
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  2. Ioakeim Tzortzakis

    Ioakeim Tzortzakis Well-Known Member Full Member

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    1. 10 defences against mostly unranked opposition. And by mostly I mean that only Luis Ortiz was ranked.

    2. Against gatekeepers, trial horses, and only 1 over a world class fighter. Not quite the same as Foreman stopping Frazier and Norton.

    3. Why isn't Rafael Limon in the Hall of Fame then ?

    4. Yeah, because the other American Heavyweights suck. And besides, the Wilder drought was way worse than the Wladimir drought.

    Honestly, aren't you getting tired of copying and pasting the same thing over and over again ?
     
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  3. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Ha!
     
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  4. ikrasevic

    ikrasevic Our pope is the Holy Spirit Full Member

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    One of those 10 title defenses was against Tyson Fury. It's not just Luis Ortiz x 2.
    Everything I state is highly debatable. But what you wrote cannot be accepted as an argument. Rather, it is an "argument".
     
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  5. Claude

    Claude Member Full Member

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    Who was coming off a two and a half year drunk binge, and wilder got a gift draw. It was a cherrypick gone wrong.
     
  6. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Yeah, he'll get in.

    HoF is a legitimate joke IMO. People continue to care but I can't for the life of me see why. I was actually in the BWA for a while and holy ****. Some of those guys had no idea who the nominated fighters were, and I mean that literally.
     
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  7. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    All I will say on the matter, is that there is currently no precedent for a heavyweight geting into the Hall, based upon a resume like Wilders.

    I cannot think of any heavyweight in the Hall, who was not lineal or Ring Magazine Champion.
     
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  8. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's still a fairly excusive club. Many boxing fans don't like the idea that Louis, Ali and (soon) Wilder are HoF peers.
     
  9. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Someone mentioned Norton and Bivins in that regard the other day. Vitali provides plenty of precedent in key respects.
     
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    lepinthehood When I'm drinking you leave me well alone banned Full Member

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  11. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Thomas, Tucker, Cooney etc. were drug users. Do they not count?

    It didn't "go wrong" lol, Wilder got a draw against the lineal champ where he scored the KD's and did most of the damage.
     
  12. ikrasevic

    ikrasevic Our pope is the Holy Spirit Full Member

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    It can be seen that Wilder was gifted with a draw, and it can be seen that Fury was gifted with a draw (because he did not stop at the count of 8).
    That's why I think a draw is the fairest. Fury clearly won the fight on points. But he was on the floor twice, and did not stand for the count of 8 (if you beat me why were you on the floor twice, and did not stand for the count of 8?).
    The referee could also award a knockout. There were examples (Lewis Vs. McCall). But now all that is history. Just don't mention Wilder Vs. Fury fights 2 and 3, to explain something about their first fight :) Wilder's defeats don't hurt me

    P.S.
    I'm not Redbeard7 alias shortround alias NEETzschean alias...
    I'm not from that gang, I'm just a boxing fan :)
     
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  13. Ioakeim Tzortzakis

    Ioakeim Tzortzakis Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Did you just expose yourself as his ALT ?
     
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  14. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Norton has the X factor of his trilogy with Ali.

    Bivins accomplishments span multiple weight classes.

    Vitally was Ring Magazine Champion.

    Having said that, you have had guys like Tommy Farr on the ballot paper before, so anything is possible.
     
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  15. The Long Count

    The Long Count Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Then you should of remained on the BWA to enlighten these people because it will be an affront to good men like Chris Byrd that took risks and tough fights in the division to have a cherry picker like Wilder enshrined over him. Wilder was never lineal or ring champ and if he is included it will simply be because he is American and the Hall wants visitors. Sad. If Wilder was close I wouldn’t care but his inclusion would be egregious.
     
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