Parker Would Always Beat Wilder. Wilder Would Always Beat Joshua

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  1. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    His feet and general agility are imo too slow to be the favorite. They get in a fire fight Wilder is more likely to come out the winner and that's not taking into account more heart
     
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  2. Joeywill

    Joeywill Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I don't think it would've mattered much. Wilder is what he is at this point. He could've benefited from being more active
     
  3. Joeywill

    Joeywill Well-Known Member Full Member

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    1) Wilders resume is better than Whyte
    2)Whyte is so stiff with such poor defense and balance and got 1 punch KOed by Povetkin and Fury. Think you'd have to have wishful thinking to think Wilder isn't knocking him out.
     
  4. Joeywill

    Joeywill Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Your logic with Whyte beating Parker and Parker beating Wilder is flawed because
    1) Wilder isn't the same fighter
    2) Styles make fights

    Wilder knocked out Helenius in 1 round, Whyte went the distance
     
  5. Joeywill

    Joeywill Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Or we can compare how Wilder and Whyte both did vs Fury.
     
  6. Joeywill

    Joeywill Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Whyte is tailor made for Wilder. No feet and has been cracked by 1 punch twice
     
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  7. Joeywill

    Joeywill Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Wilders chin seems better. Way more speed and power too. Ya Whyte could make it rugged and rough Deontay up and times but I'm picking Wilder to land a bomb on Whyte and end the fight
     
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  8. BubblesUK

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    You cannot actually be serious, surely?

    Even ignoring Pov (because he was shot) the win over Parker is a much more respectable achievement than anything Wilder has on his resume... Chisora's resume is better than Ortiz's too.

    Whytes resume is clearly better - it's not really even debatable.

    Allow me to redux this to show why it's not a good argument:
    "Whytes so hittable that two fighters who were way better than Wilder managed to knock him out"

    Just because two much more skilled fighters managed to knock Whyte out doesn't automatically mean that Wilder does....

    He'd stand a chance, but you'd have to be brave to bet on it.

    And let's not forget, we've literally just seen what happened when Wilder fought someone who was way better than his best win - are we really backing him over someone who was on the same level as the guy that beat him 12-0??
     
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  9. Joeywill

    Joeywill Well-Known Member Full Member

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    As far as resumes go

    Wilder has beaten 3 top 10 heavyweights Ortiz 2x, Stiverne

    Whyte only has 2 and one of them was against an off the respirator Povetkin

    Wilder nearly beat Fury in their first fight

    Was very competitive in their 3rd

    Whyte had one of the most embarrassing showings in his only heavyweight title fight vs Fury

    Whyte went life and death with Chisora and Franklin. Arguably lost to both

    Wilder never struggled like that vs that level of an opponent

    Wilder dominates Ortiz twice

    Whyte never dominated anyone of this caliber even once

    Whyte is a massive overachiever

    He is one of the worst heavyweights to make it to the top 5 in the last 20 years

    Does Whyte even have a better win than Wilder beating Stiverne the first time ?

    Parker would be debatable but it was a war

    Wilder dominates his opponents when he beats them. Whyte barley nicks by and arguably loses.

    I didn't even mention all the failed drug test yet
     
  10. Joeywill

    Joeywill Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I don't agree that Whyte beating Parker in a fight he went life and death with (questionable head but ruled a Knockdown) was better than Wilder knocking out Ortiz twice and winning almost every single round vs Stiverne. Whyte struggles with C level heavyweights like Chisora and Franklin. Got 1 punch kod twice. Failed multiple drug tests. His resume is not better than Wilder. Wilder always knocks out C level heavyweights. Boxing fans have taken this for granted and said that he should step his opposition pp (which is valid) but Whyte goes life and death with these kinds of opponents
     
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  11. GBoxingFeed

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    I don’t personally believe that the Parker that lost to Whyte for example would be able to beat the Wilder that peaked in Fury 1. Maybe, but not “always”. I think Andy Lee has a lot to do with Parker’s renaissance, and is the man with the plan to beat Wilder. So I wouldn’t be too certain on that historically.

    Joshua on the other hand, I always felt would beat Wilder. And the reason is quite simple - Joshua is well tried and tested and has fought many different styles. He can’t beat Usyk - big deal, he’s a generational talent and kudos to Joshua for fighting him twice. But he beat all the rest of them. Wilder - he never really fought anyone, and that was to his detriment because each time he did step up he got a rude awakening.

    I have to ride with the guy who has the depth to his resume. It’s easy to say “Wilder takes his head off” - but on what evidence? There just isn’t any. It’s all pie in the sky and feelings based. At least if you favour Joshua you can find bolstering evidence from looking at his resume and the people that he fought.
     
  12. deltrotter

    deltrotter Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He knocked down OBESE Fury in the 12th anyone could of connected on that version of Fury SMH
     
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  13. Carinito

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    They should've got him Kownacki
     
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  14. MorvidusStyle

    MorvidusStyle Boxing Addict Full Member

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    All these AJ fans are in denial.

    If AJ and Hearn were so confident of winning, why didn't they take the fight on the 23rd and make it a 'super event'? And why not years before that?

    Even if people believe Wilder ducked AJ, he had nowhere to go after losing to Fury and it's not believable he wouldn't take the AJ fight then, especially at his age and when Finkel knew they were running out of time. It was the obvious 'cash out' fight.

    And to add to that evidence, he still claims to want to fight AJ, while AJ and Hearn show disinterest.

    AJ's career is all about 'calculated risk'. Wilder was simply a massive risk due to his RH. AJ could win but he could also get humiliated in round 1-5. They knew that and avoided Wilder like the plague.
     
  15. Reg

    Reg Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If you go through my posts you'll find a lot of grammatical errors. I only proofread after I submit, and I only reread my posts about 50% of the time.
     
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