Wilder's future in boxing

Ok let's say Wilders nearly at 50 fights
What's all theses beatings one speaks of
He was flattening bums shot and past it fighters
First 32 fights hed done 56 ish rounds
Two rounds per fight
Then opposition for the last 15 stepped up and the signs of this america manufactured protected champ were there for all to see
Then it started to unravel

 

He thought fury was a fat mentally broke mess
And hed signed that third fight to freeze joshua out
Back fired
Now he cap in hand to brits in saudi
America ain't all that now
An hour and a half of fighting fnshed wilder
Yet he wants to be compared to legends of old
15 round fighters
Fought four times a year for a chance at a title shot


Wilder as been wrapped in bubble wrap and protected

 

Effort or ability?

This is kinda the point - at times he tried but for the most part just didn't have a clue what to do...

Which goes back to the low ring IQ and limited fundamentals point - when faced with a tactic that didn't let him just do his thing, he didn't have a clue what to do... IMHO that's the definition of levels.

 

Not at all surprised to see wilders deluded fan base still making excuses for him.

It never occurred to them that he looks more hungry and aggressive in 2017 because he’s fighting useless fat flat footed penguin plodders like Stiverne and Washington.

 

Just look at the punch stats. He never threw more than 20 punches a round in the first 9 rounds. Then in round 10 onwards his punch out put increased. He clearly made a concerted effort in the last 3 rounds but he simply wasn't allowed to be as aggressive as he wanted to be.

He's always had a reactive defence, meaning whenever an opponents opens up, he responds by moving away or slipping then moving away, which is why when faced by an opponent who'll apply constant pressure like Parker did, his out put diminished. Wilder can of course beat opponents to the punch before an exchange begins but against someone as fast as Parker that wasn't possible very often, so he was left for long periods unable to throw as he was kept in a defensive posture.

If he was a fighter with a style who had that allowed him to exchange then he could of mounted a more concerted effort but he was a prisoner of his own style against a fighter who had all the tools to keep him trapped by the flaws of that style.

I find it infuriating when fighters lose and so often people ask why they didn't try harder and throw more. Why did so many volume punchers against Hopkins decided to not throw, its never about those fighters choosing not to throw it's about them being placed in a position where they are unable to throw because Hopkins movement prevented them from getting in positions to throw and the same thing happened with Parker/Wilder. It started with Fury/Wilder 2 who exposed how Wilder was unable to mount much offence when pushed back and Parker simply built on that approach.

 

Gentleman ... we cannot on one hand complain that boxers refuse to box at all in a try to keep their record clean and on the other hand we trash them when they box but have a bad night and score a loss.

Wilders performance was bad and he deserved to loose , no excuses and congratulations to parker .

But wilder has +45 hw pro fights and one of the highest KO rates ever , was world champion for years. We have simply to wait and see if his weapon of extraordinary punching power is indeed gone or if he had a bad night and will recover from this loss .

 

On the flipside, we can feel slightly smug when we've been waiting years for them to step up and they come unstuck as expected.

It's better than remaining protected forever and deserves credit on that basis.

Having a high KO percentage and lots of title defences isn't hard when you're fighting mostly binmen, though.

Whether he's willing to try again to improve on his best win is an interesting question... Can he go back to knocking out C grade journeymen? Almost certainly.

I don't think he's as declined as it looked, it was a big step up from anyone he'd beaten and it showed.
A bit declined - probably, he's 38 - but it's not an excuse for being dominated quite that badly all on its own, IMHO.

 

Some interesting points raised already here. For me, his problems are a few of those issues made, all mixed in.
Firstly, while Wilder is undoubtedly dangerous - and a terrific puncher - I've always felt he was somewhat overrated. The best two guys he's faced, Fury and Parker, he lost to. So because his resume is quite weak, compared to ATG status - and even his top contemporaries - it's hard to know what his true ceiling is. I suspect we saw it v Fury.
In addition I do feel that age and inactivity played a part in the Parker loss. He seems much more mellow now and, as someone who's a similar age to Wilder, I can attest to the fact that the body isn't the same at 38 compared to what it is at 30, let alone 25 - and that's without a career in the ring. My feeling is that a.prime Wilder would probably have been a bit sharper and would probably have beat a prime Parker. But, of course, we'll never know. And there isn't the depth in his resume today confidently that would have been the case.

 

I love how the narrative now is that Wilder was past it yet most people on this forum were saying Parker was finished at top level after losing to Joyce and Wilder was a huge favourite.

Yet in same sentence Wilder gets credit for beating Ortiz who was even older than Wilder was vs Parker.

You can't make it up.

 

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AJ ducking the governor!

 

I'm pretty sure it's not actually a Wilder fan, but a Fury fan instead. This is a typical Fury's fan type of work.
They are in a deep need to try to safe whatever is left of Fury lacking resume.
It's not easy to let it go, as they have each other, and that's it pretty much.
And especially since their prediction that Wilder is this mythical one-punch beast that beats anyone not named Fury.

It's not just that, but after the Helenius fight, which fighter fight the absolutely same way with a movement, the only different was the quality of the opponent Wilder faced, Fury/Wilder fans starting to claim he will KO pretty much everyone in 1-3 rounds, which was the tip of the cake.
Hell Wilder personal cheerleader Malik Scott was explaining how Wilder will KO AJ in no more than 3 rounds, and he will KO Usyk in 6-7 rounds .....
The interview is in the tube, so anyone can see it.

Funny though as Fury fans claim this or that isn't the best Wilder, Fury finish him, but there is zero evidence of that.
If he was finish, his durability would be gone, but that's not the case, as he eat plenty of bombs by Parker and managed to stay on his feet.
His footwork and hand speed was exactly the same, hell he was actually faster, as he comes in a lot lighter compare to Fury 3.

Yeah there is a change in Wilder fighting style, but that's because of Malik Scott and they are trying to make Wilder move a lot and catch you on the counter, as he did on Helenius.

If you watch at Malik Scott long interview after the fight, everything will come clear to you.
They were literally expecting Parker to comes to WIlder with his guards down, and Wilder to KO him easily.
Malik Scott praises Andy Lee for the tactic, and says they didn't expect Parker to comes with a high guard. Something i have been saying for years that's going to nullify Wilder right hand.

And guess who have high guard as well, yeah AJ and Usyk.


And sorry but i can't take Wilder/Fury fans claiming "prime" Wilder would have beaten this or that guy. They change the narrative pretty fast, but it's hard to take them seriously, when Artur Szpilka make Wilder looks like a clown for 9 rounds, and outboxed him completely.
39 years old Ortiz did it for 10 rounds, and Wilder was saved by the docs.
This is the prime Wilder. Same "power" that couldn't even drop Duhaupas. Or Molina outboxing and hurt him badly, aka have him on bamby legs and doing funny dances on 1 leg.
Same guy that was saved by the ref. and they deleted every single recording of the whooping f***** Harold Sconiers gave him.

That is very telling what Wilder always was > a manufactured guy with a very limited abilities.

 

He's finished. Mentally and physically. Look at the state of his legs.

Joshua would smash him in half and it would mean nothing. Wilder in his prime was confident , dynamic , fast and very explosive. He has none of those attributes anymore.

 

As BB pointed out, Wilder isn't close to being a slugger. Arreola, Chisora, Kownacki, Demirezen, Miller... those are sluggers. I think you're confusing Wilder's wild outbursts when he had fighters hurt to the sort of high output exchanges fighters like the above would routinely get into, but the difference is that Wilder only did this when his opponents were already dazed and unable to fight back, while someone like Kownacki would do it from the opening bell and be eating tons of punches coming back his way.

To a degree Wilder did that in the second and third Fury fights, but it's never been his preferred style, or the one that netted him any success. Ambush fighting, keeping his opponents at arms length while waiting for an opportunity to strike, then taking them out with one or two good shots, that's the prime Wilder, or classic Wilder, or whatever you want to call him.

 

One more loss and he becomes a gatekeeper, a stepping stone. The only problem being who wants to fight him? Too risky due to his right and no recognition for beating him. He becomes a not worth the risk for a young fighter. He’s better off retiring.