Wilder's future in boxing

Ice8Cold · Jan 2, 2024

ashishwarrior said: ↑

He thought fury was a fat mentally broke mess
And hed signed that third fight to freeze joshua out
Back fired
Now he cap in hand to brits in saudi
America ain't all that now
An hour and a half of fighting fnshed wilder
Yet he wants to be compared to legends of old
15 round fighters
Fought four times a year for a chance at a title shot

Wilder as been wrapped in bubble wrap and protected
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I'm not even a Fury or Wilder fanboy to your surprise.

Ice8Cold · Jan 2, 2024

BubblesUK said: ↑

Effort or ability?

This is kinda the point - at times he tried but for the most part just didn't have a clue what to do...

Which goes back to the low ring IQ and limited fundamentals point - when faced with a tactic that didn't let him just do his thing, he didn't have a clue what to do... IMHO that's the definition of levels.
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No one would be the same fighter after taking those two beatings against Fury.

Ice8Cold · Jan 2, 2024

hobby rider said: ↑

Not at all surprised to see wilders deluded fan base still making excuses for him.

It never occurred to them that he looks more hungry and aggressive in 2017 because he’s fighting useless fat flat footed penguin plodders like Stiverne and Washington.
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When did I ever say I was a Wilder fanboy?

Do you think Wilder that fought Parker would have beaten the Wilder of 2017/2018? No chance in hell.

RingKing · Jan 2, 2024

Wilder is done mentally. That's not a good thing in boxing. I'm sure he has plenty in the bank, so I would walk away now with my health intact.

Ice8Cold · Jan 2, 2024

Brighton bomber said: ↑

Just look at the punch stats. He never threw more than 20 punches a round in the first 9 rounds. Then in round 10 onwards his punch out put increased. He clearly made a concerted effort in the last 3 rounds but he simply wasn't allowed to be as aggressive as he wanted to be.

He's always had a reactive defence, meaning whenever an opponents opens up, he responds by moving away or slipping then moving away, which is why when faced by an opponent who'll apply constant pressure like Parker did, his out put diminished. Wilder can of course beat opponents to the punch before an exchange begins but against someone as fast as Parker that wasn't possible very often, so he was left for long periods unable to throw as he was kept in a defensive posture.

If he was a fighter with a style who had that allowed him to exchange then he could of mounted a more concerted effort but he was a prisoner of his own style against a fighter who had all the tools to keep him trapped by the flaws of that style.

I find it infuriating when fighters lose and so often people ask why they didn't try harder and throw more. Why did so many volume punchers against Hopkins decided to not throw, its never about those fighters choosing not to throw it's about them being placed in a position where they are unable to throw because Hopkins movement prevented them from getting in positions to throw and the same thing happened with Parker/Wilder. It started with Fury/Wilder 2 who exposed how Wilder was unable to mount much offence when pushed back and Parker simply built on that approach.
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Because he is finished.

Do you actually think boxers dont ever age and diminish as age and punishment catches up to them?

Wilder mounted more offence in two rounds against Fury in the second fight than he did in the whole Parker fight.

Ice8Cold · Jan 2, 2024

RingKing said: ↑

Wilder is done mentally. That's not a good thing in boxing. I'm sure he has plenty in the bank, so I would walk away now with my health intact.
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He needs to retire.

Ice8Cold · Jan 2, 2024

lordlosh said: ↑

I'm pretty sure it's not actually a Wilder fan, but a Fury fan instead. This is a typical Fury's fan type of work.
They are in a deep need to try to safe whatever is left of Fury lacking resume.
It's not easy to let it go, as they have each other, and that's it pretty much.
And especially since their prediction that Wilder is this mythical one-punch beast that beats anyone not named Fury.

It's not just that, but after the Helenius fight, which fighter fight the absolutely same way with a movement, the only different was the quality of the opponent Wilder faced, Fury/Wilder fans starting to claim he will KO pretty much everyone in 1-3 rounds, which was the tip of the cake.
Hell Wilder personal cheerleader Malik Scott was explaining how Wilder will KO AJ in no more than 3 rounds, and he will KO Usyk in 6-7 rounds .....
The interview is in the tube, so anyone can see it.

Funny though as Fury fans claim this or that isn't the best Wilder, Fury finish him, but there is zero evidence of that.
If he was finish, his durability would be gone, but that's not the case, as he eat plenty of bombs by Parker and managed to stay on his feet.
His footwork and hand speed was exactly the same, hell he was actually faster, as he comes in a lot lighter compare to Fury 3.

Yeah there is a change in Wilder fighting style, but that's because of Malik Scott and they are trying to make Wilder move a lot and catch you on the counter, as he did on Helenius.

If you watch at Malik Scott long interview after the fight, everything will come clear to you.
They were literally expecting Parker to comes to WIlder with his guards down, and Wilder to KO him easily.
Malik Scott praises Andy Lee for the tactic, and says they didn't expect Parker to comes with a high guard. Something i have been saying for years that's going to nullify Wilder right hand.

And guess who have high guard as well, yeah AJ and Usyk.

And sorry but i can't take Wilder/Fury fans claiming "prime" Wilder would have beaten this or that guy. They change the narrative pretty fast, but it's hard to take them seriously, when Artur Szpilka make Wilder looks like a clown for 9 rounds, and outboxed him completely.
39 years old Ortiz did it for 10 rounds, and Wilder was saved by the docs.
This is the prime Wilder. Same "power" that couldn't even drop Duhaupas. Or Molina outboxing and hurt him badly, aka have him on bamby legs and doing funny dances on 1 leg.
Same guy that was saved by the ref. and they deleted every single recording of the whooping f***** Harold Sconiers gave him.

That is very telling what Wilder always was > a manufactured guy with a very limited abilities.
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Keep saying this but do you really think the Wilder that got dominated by Parker would stand any chance against the Wilder of 6/7 years ago?

Ice8Cold · Jan 2, 2024

dinovelvet said: ↑

He's finished. Mentally and physically. Look at the state of his legs.

Joshua would smash him in half and it would mean nothing. Wilder in his prime was confident , dynamic , fast and very explosive. He has none of those attributes anymore.
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He is a very different fighter to when he was in his best days.

11player · Jan 2, 2024

Respect to Wilder for taking on a tough matchup as this. One good win and he is back at the Joshua fight.

Technically he is poor, used to be better under Breland, if he cant land flush he is losing to any top 20 HW out there.

Ruiz Jr, Dubois, Kabayel, Sanchez, Joyce, White, are his best options to get back on top.

Ice8Cold · Jan 2, 2024

It's Ovah said: ↑

As BB pointed out, Wilder isn't close to being a slugger. Arreola, Chisora, Kownacki, Demirezen, Miller... those are sluggers. I think you're confusing Wilder's wild outbursts when he had fighters hurt to the sort of high output exchanges fighters like the above would routinely get into, but the difference is that Wilder only did this when his opponents were already dazed and unable to fight back, while someone like Kownacki would do it from the opening bell and be eating tons of punches coming back his way.

To a degree Wilder did that in the second and third Fury fights, but it's never been his preferred style, or the one that netted him any success. Ambush fighting, keeping his opponents at arms length while waiting for an opportunity to strike, then taking them out with one or two good shots, that's the prime Wilder, or classic Wilder, or whatever you want to call him.
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I get your point but I think you're confusing sluggers with those who are swarmers. They have a difference sluggers and swarmers. These guys like Chisora, Kownacki, Miller, could say Whyte and Joyce are all swarmers.

Do you think Wilder that got dominated by Parker stands any chance against the Wilder of 6/7 years ago?

Ice8Cold · Jan 2, 2024

11player said: ↑

Respect to Wilder for taking on a tough matchup as this. One good win and he is back at the Joshua fight.

Technically he is poor, used to be better under Breland, if he cant land flush he is losing to any top 20 HW out there.

Ruiz Jr, Dubois, Kabayel, Sanchez, Joyce, White, are his best options to get back on top.
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He should retire unless he is willing to go into a war.

hobby rider · Jan 2, 2024

dinovelvet said: ↑

He's finished. Mentally and physically. Look at the state of his legs.

Joshua would smash him in half and it would mean nothing. Wilder in his prime was confident , dynamic , fast and very explosive. He has none of those attributes anymore.
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What’s wrong with the state of his legs?

hobby rider · Jan 2, 2024

Ice8Cold said: ↑

No one would be the same fighter after taking those two beatings against Fury.
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It’s a good job Parker hasn’t been in any tough fights or been knocked out recently otherwise it would have been even more one sided then.

Oh wait I almost forgot he also got pasted by Joyce recently.

lordlosh · Jan 2, 2024

Ice8Cold said: ↑

Keep saying this but do you really think the Wilder that got dominated by Parker would stand any chance against the Wilder of 6/7 years ago?
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Thats not how boxing work. Its all about styles matches. Strategy, gameplans, tactics, etc, etc, plays big role as well.

hobby rider · Jan 2, 2024

Ice8Cold said: ↑

He is a very different fighter to when he was in his best days.
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He’s exactly the same.

Walks backwards to the ropes with his right hand cocked and pawing out that pathetic left jab like he’s trying to stroke a kitten “ I only need 1 second, they need to be perfect all fight” etc etc.

Exactly the same as in pretty much every other fight he’s had.

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