Wilder's future in boxing

Those beatings might have damaged his confidence/belief or made him more wary...

They wouldn't rob him of fundamentals - he always had limited skills.

They wouldn't rob him of ring IQ, and he was never particularly intelligent (highly reactionary and quick in that sense, but not able to plan or dictate a fight).

On some level yes, the Fury beatings will have taken it out of him.
But then Parker took a heavier beating from Joyce (albeit he's more capable of taking it), and plenty of punishment from Whyte, too - it's not like they haven't both been in wars.


I don't think Wilder has declined nearly as much as you think he has - he just stepped in with a guy that's a level above anyone he'd ever beaten and he looked like he didn't belong in there.

 

Once you've been touched by Fury you're never the same

 

And took some heavy shots off Chisora.

And got knocked down a couple of times by Whyte (including his best punch, his vicious left hook), and took a bunch of punishment from dirty blows (headbutts and rabbit punches)...

Yea, Parker's definitely not taken the kind of damage Wilder has

 

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Fanboys dont do to well round here

 

It would be a stalemate - both versions of Wilder would be waiting for the other to engage so they could look for an opening to throw the bomb...

To borrow the sniper analogy above - both present and younger Wilder would be hidden behind a big rock waiting for the other Wilder to show himself.

Put it another way... Would this 38 year old Wilder still beat the 38 year old Ortiz that's his best win "til this day"?
Probably, yes - as long as his chin held up and he got the same recovery time. Ortiz would still present opportunities that Wilder could capitalize on and I'm not seeing any reason he wouldn't do so

 

I've said repeatedly that Wilder was faded and cited age as well as inactivity being the reason, but he crushes Helenius and nobody says he's shot, yet he has one bad performance against the 2nd best opponent of his career and loses emphatically and people rush to say he's shot, which just seems like a cop out, a lame excuse for his performance. Couldn't possibly be that he was out of his depth, no just say he's shot at 38 despite nobody coming to that conclusion before that or even saying that during the fight.

Was 39 year old Wlad shot vs Fury? I recall after Wlad's loss to Fury many on here said it was down to styles and yes there were those few that said Wlad had faded but then look what he did vs Joshua. People commended the performance of Wlad at 41 saying he gave a great account of himself, but again people didn't say Wlad was shot or had mentally checked out. Wlad was also inactive going into that fight too, having not fought for 17 months compared to the 14 months Wilder was inactive before fighting Parker. Now of course Wlad wasn't prime just like Wilder wasn't prime but the difference is Wlad fans weren't coming up with excuses.

Like I said before we need to see Wilder fight again to see just how much he has left. One schooling at the hands of a superior fighter doesn't mean he's shot or mentally checked out. Fighters sometimes go up against a fighter who's all wrong for them, that happens. Age and inactivity will have played into the performance but I don't think it's as significant you suggest, what was far more significant was the fact Wilder was fighting someone better than him. Wlad proved at 41 and even longer out of the ring against a fighter better than Parker that it's possible to still perform at a high level with these issues at hand.

 

He was a bit unlucky against Whyte, the Headbutt knockdown killed him in that fight.

 

Can't argue with that TBH - Parkers definitely taken more punishment from those fights than Wilder took from Fury and Ortiz.

 

I think he have to fight maybe Joshua or Zhilei Zhang or Joe Joyce, for maybe have another good victory in his career.

But honestly he is very limited, the fact that he was a world champion and he beats Duhaupas, Luis Ortiz, Stiverne etc.. are just a pure miracle.


But he have the power (his only quality) and mentally Wilder is a way better human than his debut. So he deserves respect even if he is a champion of chance.

 

Chisora seriously need to retire or he will be like Duhaupas at the end, it was very sad his last two fights..

 

His future is a cameo in either Expendables 10 or Creed 5.