where would wallin rank on joshuas best wins

Which is still even less embarrassing than getting a dodgy draw and your arse handed to you twice blaming a suit and tampered gloves by said press conference runner

 

First paragraph in reply made me laugh .

Changing your mind can be a smart move in various instances, however changing your mind on sports predictions after the event has occurred and then banging on about it (as you do), is a bit Jay from Inbetweeners like.

 

Old, inactive, out his best division.... It's a name but he looked well out of depth.
He might have been better than Ortiz but not a hugely. Wallin stacked the deck is his favour again...

 

Gassiev was the backed fighter. the event in Turkey was set up for him. but Wallin boxed his head off so clearly that he couldn’t be robbed, he was able to escape with an SD victory

nothing puts the spin doctors to work like an AJ win!

 

Gassiev was a very good dangerous hard hitting cruiserweight until he met Usyk who absolutely schooled him in a great performance away from home in Moscow to become undisputed.

We know some cruisers struggle badly when moving up to heavyweight as seen with Toe Haye when he fought Wlad.

Still a very good win for Wallin.

 

My opinion is that Fury has been close to shot since the weight gain and drug abuse. Knew exactly what he was doing picking Wilder, Wallin and his other opponents since his comeback.

For someone who prides himself on being a boxing historian, Tyson will have known as well as anyone how farcical Wilder's opponents were for a world champion, and that power doesn't follow mediocre fighters as they move up the levels. Wilder's power was non-existent against Parker same as it would have been if he'd have fought Povetkin when he should have done 7 years ago.

It wouldn't exist against Usyk or Joshua either, but put him in against a top 40 fighter tomorrow and I'm sure we'll get another Szpilka style knockout.

 

Gassiev had a string of solid early KO wins at HW before the Wallin fight too. It wasn't like he was struggling at the new weight. He's not shot or old either. He's only 30.

 

I doubt Szpika even was a top 40 HW when Wilder fought him. That's the thing with Wilder. During his entire 47 fight career he's barely fought anybody who was legitimately a hungry top 20 fighter. When you break it down these are the only fights i think which were against top 20 types at the time.

Parker. Lost badly on points.
Fury 3. Brutally KO
Fury 2. Brutally KO
Ortiz 2. Won by 7th round KO.
Fury 1. Cherry pick gone wrong and got dominated by an obese, drug addict, alcoholic version of Fury.
Ortiz 1. Won by late stoppage after getting badly out boxed the entire fight.
Stiverne 2. Early KO
Duhaupas. 11th round stoppage win
Stiverne 1. Won on points.

That's basically Wilder's career in a nutshell when we remove all the fluff and bouncers he knocked over. I keep hearing about this ATG power he has. Well by my reckoning he had 9 reasonable fights and has one early stoppage win.

 

Ortiz needs to be put in the context that he was very lucky to be fighting considered how bad his blood pressure was. Bad enough to put him in the ICU twice and need a lot of medication to get it under control. God knows how he was training properly. And who was Ortiz's best win, Dave Allen?

Also doubtful Stiverne was ever top 20. It's dfficult when the division has been so damn shallow for so long, but there are a few guys who went on decent runs who you can say were top 10 like Povetkin, Pulev, Whyte, Joyce, Parker, Bakole. Of course Wilder was kept away from them all until Parker recently.

 

Given Stivernes condition in the rematch and the fact that he some how got it despite being out of the ring for nearly 3 years it’s arguably also not a top 20 fighter.

 

And it didn't against Fury when he was at 100% in the second fight.

 

That just sounds like a doctors note to take roids legally like all the Liverpool players and their asthma inhalers

 

Stiverne had one fight in three years prior to the second Wilder fight.

 

I've no dog in the fight....He might have been the name it doesn't get away from the fact he's fought 4 times since 2001. He was slow couldn't cut the ring off and Wallin did what he had to. No issue with how Wallin did in that fight but he had all the physical advantages as well.

He didn't have them over AJ and got hammed. We will see how Wallin recovers but for me he's not a top level heavy weight based on causing Fury a few problems late and beating an in active guy who's biggest wins are at Cruiser.

Anyway more interesting fights to come

 

Just giving this comment a bump, ageing like milk in a sauna this one.