Uncanny parallels between Vitali Klitschko and Deontay Wilder

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  1. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wilder wouldn't quit against a natural sub-cruiser and he'd have poleaxed a twice one punched champion if given free shots.
     
  2. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    "Vitali gave Lewis all he could handle"

    McCall and Rahman destroyed him.

    "Would have won if it wasn't stopped"

    Pure speculation, the fight ended at the halfway point in Lewis's favour.

    "hell we've seen cuts just as bad"

    Contender Vitali was the B-side, he wasn't going to get the benefit of the doubt. He needed to fight smarter.

    "yeah he had had an off night against Byrd"

    He got taken into deep waters by a natural sub-cruiser, quit and ducked a rematch.

    "never touched the canvas"

    Vitali had a very good/great chin, I don't think anyone disputes that. He still lost twice by TKO. Many journeymen have had excellent chins.

    "gets smashed to pieces"

    That description only applies to three fights in Wilder's career: Ortiz 1 (in the last 45 seconds of the 7th round), Fury 2, Fury 3.
     
  3. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The Lewis fight didn't have a natural conclusion but I don't see how the Byrd loss is "debatable", Vitali quit.

    Their careers aren't similar in every respect but they have some fundamental similarities, that's what the OP articulates.
     
  4. BCS8

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    This is a sad thread
     
  5. KINGWILDER

    KINGWILDER Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Based on what Parker and Fury did, Lewis would have smoked Wilder in a round or two.
     
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  6. JMotrain

    JMotrain Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's not that Sanders never loses hypotheticals match-ups, it that he doesn't lose to Wilder. Maybe Wilder KO's him 10% of the time but there is no one on Wilder's resume who I don't think Sanders wouldn't have also KO'd, barring maybe Fury. But Wilder never beat Fury so the point is moot.

    Rahman was actually a good fighter and I'd have favored him to beat Wilder. You call him a fringe contender but he knocked Lewis the **** out and fought in a much deeper HW division than today. Wilder wouldn't have even been a fringe contender back at that time, he would have been a straight-up journeymen.

    Chisora would have been the 2nd/3rd best fighter Wilder faced and very easily could have walked him down and knocked him out. We don't know because Wilder was busying facing the Molina's, Washington's, and Breazeale's of the world.
     
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  7. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Wilder would have been Derrick Jefferson
     
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  8. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    "It's not that Sanders never loses hypotheticals match-ups"

    Sanders wins hypotheticals way out of proportion to his success, the opposite has been true of Wilder. 84% had Gassiev beating Wilder by KO in 2018:

    https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/gassiev-vs-wilder.601322/

    In reality, Sanders lost to club fighter Tubbs and fringe contender Rahman 100% of the time and failed to KO 33% of his 46 opponents. But I'm sure Sanders KO's everyone on Wilder's resume in hypotheticals.

    "Rahman was actually a good fighter and I'd have favored him to beat Wilder."

    He was favoured to beat Klitschko era gatekeepers Maskaev x2 and John Ruiz too. He one-shotted Lewis but so did 24-5 fringe contender McCall.

    "Chisora would have been the 2nd/3rd best fighter Wilder faced and very easily could have walked him down and knocked him out."

    Chisora admitted that he wouldn't fight Ortiz because he didn't want a "hard night at the office", so that puts Chisora below Fury x3 (who he couldn't lay a glove on as proven in fights 2 and 3) and Ortiz x2, so 6th or 7th. Chisora's KO ratio against his best 16 opponents is 12.5%, only taking out Scott and Takam in competitive fights. He wouldn't have done anything with a Wilder who still wanted to be in the ring. He'd have beaten the mess we saw against Parker and Wilder when he was very green.

    That's all I have to say on the topic.
     
  9. JMotrain

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    So Wilder, who lost just about every round to Joe Parker, would win all the hypotheticals as well? You think he's the biggest hitter in HW history? In your hypotheticals, he KO's everyone I suppose. Even though he was stopped twice by a feather-fist and outclassed by a B level HW.

    You're just a delusional fan boy. Parker is no more than a solid pro and he completely outclassed Wilder. Fury has average power and he knocked Wilder the **** out twice. Wilder isn't beating any fighter near the elite level and if he does, he has a punchers chance of about 10%. Wilder also faced zero punchers as a HW and was shaken up by guys with average to below average power. He was KO'd in the amateurs by a LHW. I don't think his handlers would put him in with Rahman, Sanders, or Vitali because they wouldn't want to see glass shatter.

    That's all I have to say on the topic.
     
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  12. Absolutely!

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    He's mentally ill.