Anthony Joshua vs. Francis Ngannou •

These heavyweights are just as bad as any other divisions, AJ didn't want or call for the Dubios fight back when he wasn't defeated & looking great, same thing with Joyce even though he typed big on twitter about smacking him, no Zhang fight as per expected such a lame division full of diva tendencies & social media hyping, thank god Usyk has come down & taken it over.

 

At the end of the day money talks....not twitter....and not who WE think they should fight. Thats business in the fight game nowadays

 

So this will be a match for the lineal heavyweight title then?

 

You said that AJ can do whatever he wants to do, because he's not a champion anymore. Very poor attempt at dodging your own statements.

Everyone should be criticized if they start having easy pickings, especially if they don't fight the best available for a substantial period of time. Whether that guy ends up being AJ, Hrgovic, Joyce, Usyk, Fury, Zhang or anybody else is irrelevant. Every last one of them should be chastised, with no exception. AJ hasn't won against a major opponent in 4 years. He needs to fight a proven HW to prove his mettle. You just don't like that, and you think he can do whatever he wants, just because he was doing what he was supposed to do 5 years ago.

Just because Fury is a ****ing failure doesn't mean AJ should be cuddled and protected. Your whole argument basically boils down to ''AJ has done things Fury hasn't done, so he is the only one that deserves to be a cherry picker out of the 2''. It's ridiculous.

The Fury vs Wallin fight was all the way back in 2019. He literally hasn't done **** since then aside from beating Gassiev, a Cruiserweight who ended up falling in love with his power and who didn't do jack at HW. Just because some corrupt organization had him as the divisional number 2 doesn't mean anything. What did he do since 2019 to prove that he is currently better than Usyk ? Or AJ ? Or Fury ? Or Zhang ? Or Joyce ? Or Hrgovic ? Or Parker ? Or Wilder ? Or even the inactive Ruiz and Kabayel ? That's 10 guys.

When did I say no excuses, and when did I excuse Fury ? I find it hard to believe you actually think I'm biased towards Fury, given the amount of **** I've given him in my previous response. But of course, everyone just has to be a biased twat if he is putting your man down. Fury looked incompetent, the reasons why are irrelevant. He could have had the greatest camp ever, that doesn't change the fact that he still looked horrible during fight night. That's never going to change. Ngannou ''beating'' the worst version of Fury in years, is not going to change, whether you like it or not.

I like Chris as much as the next guy, and he is one of the more knowledgeable posters in this sub. But he is not an unbiased scorer. He is a renowned GGG and Loma fanatic, and had GGG going 3-0 against Canelo and had Loma 9-3 against Haney, when it was a 7-5 type of fight in Loma's favor. Maybe 8-4 if you really want to stretch it for Loma, but anything beyond that is unreasonable from any unbiased observer. He is a very good scorer most of the time, but those are horrible cards. He also really hates Fury's guts. So you really shouldn't be pointing out the fact that you had the same scorecard as him as proof that Ngannou absolutely and unquestionably won the fight. Rummy had it close for Fury, and so did McGrain, both of them far better Boxing minds than you and at least on par with Chris. I don't know about Rummy, but I know McGrain got tired of Fury's **** after the fight, despite having it for him. As did many others who also scored it for Fury.

Nah, they're biased and pulled straight out of your ass. Do you really think you can just reverse an in-fight decision by the referee and act as if that is what actually happened ? This was not a robbery in the sense that Ngannou got unfairly robbed on the scorecards. You are the one making it a robbery by deducting 2 points from Fury that were not actually deducted. Other fighters have also gotten the short end of the stick due to the ref deducting/not deducting a point unfairly.

And this wasn't a Loma vs Salido type of injustice. One where Fury was fouling all night long, dealing unfair punishment to Francis that should have gotten him disqualified ages ago. When did you last see someone deduct points that weren't actually deducted by the ref, just because they felt like they should do it for occasional fouls ? But when you do it for Fury vs Ngannou, it's because you ''don't want to close your eyes towards blatant corruption''. The referee did not score it as a KD and did not deduct a point. Therefore you are obliged to score it accordingly. If you don't like it, tough ****.

The only way this is a good fight is if AJ completely and utterly thrashes Ngannou in a mostly/entirely one sided fashion, completely silencing the notion that Ngannou would be one of the best Heavyweights today. Otherwise, it's just a waste of time that adds nothing to the sport.

 

This fight is crap

 

He deserved the win over Fury, and anyone with a ****ing brain knows it

Even if he is 0-1, he nearly beat the number one fighter at heavyweight, which still makes him a top fighter on paper.

 

There is a greater chance of me getting abducted by Hamas than there is of Francis actually beating a boxer who takes care of himself like Joshua does, and takes his profession seriously.

 

Imagine if Ngannou does win though. Holy sheet that would be the final nail in the coffin for the heavyweight division.

 

It will be a boxing lesson, you will see the wide gap in boxing ability between MMA and pro boxing when Joshua dismantles Francis.

 

I don't see the same energy for the others from you. Only for AJ. You also talking rubbish about AJ resume about 5 years ago, when it was 2021 and 2022 where he fought Usyk twice.

And now you change the narrative, h? First it was a top 10 fighter, now it's a proven HW ....
Wallin was a proven fighter buddy. He had a good amateur record, never been drop, hell never been hurt in the ring.
And AJ absolutely dismantled him.
It's fun you bring who has Wallin fought outside of Gassiev, after losing to Fury. He was on a 6 winning streak after a Fury. Opponents weren't great, but he fought Fury and make him a bloody mess, hurt him in the 12 round, won that round as well, and should have won the fight via TKO as well. That's more than enough for the majority on here, who were hyping him big time, and then discredit him, cause AJ smashed him to pieces.

And sorry to bring it out to you, but i can say who this guy fought, for the majority of the top 10 guys.
Who the f**** has Ortiz fought before Wilder, in order to become the mandatory in WBC ?
Also the narrative here was that Wallin is avoided fighter, which could be true, you know? Whyte was supposed to fight him, but pulled out.

But tell me outside of the controversial Zhang win for Hrgovic, who the f**** he has ever fought ?


Now to the fun Fury part. When did you make excuse for Fury, h? Like he being the worst version of himself, not the Wilder 2 version, etc, etc.
And again are making plenty of him.

I don't give s**** what version of Fury has shown up. This is on him.
Ngannou beat the s***** out of him:

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And it's fun you talk about biased people, yet you give me 2 posters that are heavily Fury favorite. And sorry to break it down to you but Rummy and McGrain are way worst scorers than CST. Also trying to discredit his scoring ability by few fights, when he scored thousands is h.... not good ?

CST is the best scorer on here by far. Claiming he was biased, yet you give me 2 guys that favoring Fury is beyond pathetic attempt. Just like you are trying to discredit all the people voting rightfully for the winner > Ngannou. Funny how you actually forget to mention the people that vote for Fury, like they weren't biased, h ? Like most Fury/Wilder fans being the biggest biased people on the planet. Fury fans, specifically most on here would vote for Fury even if he lost a 12-0, they would still say he won.

But Miniq and few others are a very good example of who won the fight, just by looking at their post after the fight, and the insane overhyping of Ngannou all the Fury fans were making.

And the poll wasn't even close. It was like 70-30 or so.
On Benson Tweet, there was a poll with more than 10k. voters, and it was like 60+ in favor of Ngannou, where majority in that voters were UK fans.

Just a few months ago, most on here were claiming AJ is mental midget, and Ngannou would smash AJ to pieces. That AJ can't take Ngannou power, and that Ngannou has a granite chin. Now when AJ is schedule to fight Ngannou, we are turning the pancake.

Typical.

It doesn't do you good, trying to discredit the obvious corruption from the official in the ring.
Not scoring a KD and not scoring a blatant full force 100% intentional elbow, which is a straight up at least 1 point deduct, doesn't help your case, as this was supposedly a "close" fight.

Because this 2 factors plays a major role in the outcome of the fight. Then Fury would have lost even on the corrupt judges scorecards.
Not scoring a KD and not calling an obvious blatant foul is a huge bias/corruption/whatever you wanna call it.

Also Fury is constantly holding, trying to lean and clinch, which is fouling as well.

And Fury looked like s****, cause he couldn't use his usual cheating on the clinch. He was getting mauled in there. Even if you are not training properly(which wasn't the case), you shouldn't forget how to box suddenly, and especially when you supposedly have high IQ. Where was that high IQ in that fight, btw?

Another telling thing who won the fight, without even watching it, is that Fury's cancel the press and run from the back door of the building, than goes on to hide from the press literally.
And his beyond delusional managers, somehow Fury winning by 1 round. This just tells you the whole story who won the fight.

This is how Boxing is supposes to be scored:

• Effective Aggression: Being aggressive gives the impression of dominance, but unless the boxer is landing shots and not constantly getting countered, it isn't really 'effective'. Judges look for effective aggression, where the aggressor consistently lands punches and avoids those from his opponent.
• Ring Generalship: The fighter who controls the action and enforces their will and style.
• Defense: How well is a boxer slipping, parrying, and blocking punches? Good defense is important.
• Hard and Clean Punches: To the untrained eye, it can appear as if a boxer is landing a lot of shots, when, in fact, most are being blocked or aren’t landing flush. A judge needs to look for hard shots that land clean.

• Effective Aggression: Being aggressive gives the impression of dominance, but unless the boxer is landing shots and not constantly getting countered, it isn't really 'effective'. Judges look for effective aggression, where the aggressor consistently lands punches and avoids those from his opponent.
• Ring Generalship: The fighter who controls the action and enforces their will and style.
• Defense: How well is a boxer slipping, parrying, and blocking punches? Good defense is important.
• Hard and Clean Punches: To the untrained eye, it can appear as if a boxer is landing a lot of shots, when, in fact, most are being blocked or aren’t landing flush. A judge needs to look for hard shots that land clean.

Ngannou pretty won this fight, by every single point of scoring the fight. The guy took charge of the fight after the KD in round 3. Landed the clean and hard punches. Every punch he land, was clearly bothering and hurting Fury, also clearing doing visible damage.

Fury was scared to engage, and to the surprise of anyone he was the one looked gassed in the 8th. round.

But yeah typically, when it's for Fury, we should forget all of his cheating, which he is doing in pretty much every fight. We should forget Wallin fight, we should forget the Cunningham blatant foul, we should forget the clinch/holding/leaning fest he is always using, we should forget the blatant obvious elbows, rabbit punches, lowblows, his dirty tactics, etc, etc.

 

Oh and something that is very important. MMA and casual fans, are overhyping Ngannou, and claiming Boxing is beyond s****, and the skills is boxing is terrible. They are literally saying Ngannou would beat any boxer.
There is no better guy to bring Ngannou and all of the delusional fans back to reality than AJ.

He is going to do a job on him, just like he did on Wallin. Ngannou is going to get a beating of a lifetime and will look like a complete rookie he is, and AJ either going to KO him in brutal fashion or Ngannou going to quit(his team) on his stool like Wallin.

And here is the deal, if AJ ain't fighting Ngannou, Wilder was going to do it. And i don't have any believe in Wilder, and Wilder is a lot easier fight for Ngannou, than AJ is. So people should be happy, that is not Wilder in there against Ngannou, as this could have end tragically for Boxing, especially if Ngannou decide to call it a day after beating Wilder.

 

Tyson Fury:

Can you imagine?

 

The nerve of this jerk off.

 

Y'know if Fury just did what he was supposed to do and beat Ngannou clearly and easily then he wouldn't have to be saying any of this.

 

To be fair, he could still fight Wilder but instead is chasing someone who is 0-1. It was a **** fight when Fury took it, even more so since AJ has.