Vergil Ortiz vs Tim Tszyu, Who Wins?

On what basis? Who has Ortiz beaten?

It's one of the most transparently padded CV's in the business.

 

Ortiz has already shown to have better speed, higher workrate, good boxing ability, and a solid chin. I see nothing Tim does better than Ortiz; all he has going for him is being naturally bigger. Also, outside of Mendoza, Tim’s resume is also pretty patchy.

 

How has he shown that exactly?

Anybody can look good against trash opposition.

Who has Ortiz beaten? I'll wait.

As for Tim's resume, well it is objectively superior to Ortiz. And by that far that it's not worth discussing. Medoza, Harrison, Ocampo, Hogan, Horn...they are all miles better than anybody Ortiz has encountered.

 

Tim is my favourite fighter, his Dad turned me from casual into a real boxing fan, but either this is a cashout fight for Ortiz, or Golden Girl believes they have a good chance. They wouldn't risk Vergil against a killer like Tim unless he is actually good.

That being said, Ortiz has had a long lay-off and that stoppage was very early. He throws lots of punches but doesn't seem to have serious power. He is also coming up in weight. I see Tszyu getting into a rhythm, taking some of what Ortiz has to offer, and then grinding him down.

Should be a great fight. I have to applaud both for taking this fight. Ducking is ruining boxing.

 

Like them both but not sold on either of them. 50/50 as of now.

 

Is that you Jermello? ******.

 

100% I applaud Ortiz and Golden Boy for chasing this one (if they are genuine). I don't believe it is a cashout fight but I absolutely believe that they have underestimated what they are up against here.

People talking up Ortiz are only able to do so based on the "eye test" because he hasn't actually beaten anybody of note. He cleaned up some poor sod on the weekend who isn't even ranked and they are creaming themselves over it. It's actually embarrassing.

Now, I believe Ortiz is a good prospect based on what I have seen. But I absolutely know that his CV is deceptive. It is inarguable that Tszyu has beaten much better fighters than Ortiz has even seen and is much more proven at 154. So when we are discussing who beats who at 154 we have two things to go off...what we see (Ortiz) and what we know (Tszyu). I go to the proven guy every time because that is what common sense tells me to do.

I suspect if push came to shove that ODLH doesn't let Ortiz anywhere near Tszyu for now. I think they are throwing some big names out there to boost the Ortiz profile and will seek out another couple of gatekeepers before they entertain any fight with someone as dangerous as Tszyu. Taking that fight now would almost certainly be suicide. In any event I think Tszyu fights Lubin next anyway.

 

Harrison, Ocampo, and Horn were all past it by the time Tim got to them. Hogan was ok, but wasn’t he coming off of a ko loss and a layoff when he fought Tim? Vergil’s resume isn’t stellar, but he consistently shows better explosiveness, jab, and workrate in all of his fights. His match with Kavaliauskas also proved he has a solid chin.

 

Yeah I think so. Then they'll throw Ortiz in to get eaten by the sharks.


Or in this case, A Great White.

 

And you still haven't answered my question.

Kavalliauskas is a nobody. Let's see how Ortiz goes with somebody who can really smack him around. Let's see how his chin goes when it keeps getting pinged because of his defensive holes.

Ortiz is easy to hit for someone like Tszyu who will stand right there in front of him and punch holes straight through him. Do you really want to back Ortiz's power against Tszyu's? Ortiz, I repeat has beaten nobody. And he's going to be giving up lots of size and power to a more seasoned guy approaching his physical peak. It's a mismatch.

 

Kavaliauskas isn’t a nobody, he’s a legit contender with really good power. He dropped Crawford and gave him his toughest fight to date. That was literally the perfect chin test for Ortiz and he passed it.

 

The only reason I dont say "Ortiz by murder" is because he has been through very serious health issues and I don't know even if he can step into the ring again. But I have no doubt that had ortiz had no healh issues he would absolutely destroy tim in the ring.

 

I was assuming this fight was going ahead, but it was only a call out on Twitter, which doesn't mean much these days. As you've alluded to, may be just a way for Ortiz to keep his name in the media. Tim fighting Lubin gives Ortiz an escape route.

 

Ahh the preemptive excuses have already started.

When Tszyu kills this poor guy it will be because of Ortiz's "health issues." Of course it will.

 

The guy is barely even rates at 147. He's not fit to spar Tim Tszyu.

Yeah, formline is really strong. Hahahaha. And he didn't give Crawford his toughest fight. That's a fallacy. As is the supposed knockdown which was not ruled a knockdown at all. Crawford terrorised this poor ******* from abut round 5 onwards and knocked him down repeatedly before stopping him. Crawford has had plenty of tougher nights than that.