Roy Jones Jr. vs. The NYC Cop

He was in his first few years as a pro, and he was held by back his father, as I’ve already explained to you.

 

All your doing is rephrasing what I said so I think you know what im talking about.

 

You said he was a novice who just went pro. He didnt look like a novice to me and 19 fights isent just going pro like you said.

 

I’ve no idea what you’re talking about.

 

You seem very argumentative.

You criticised his opposition.

My reply to you was that he was just coming up. So those are the types of guys most people fight when they’re in their infancy as a pro.

He was 20-22 years of age, and had only been a pro for a few years.

So questioning his opposition at that point is rather silly.

 

Argumentative?
I thought we were having a conversation. If your little feelings are going to get in the way of that then thats your problem.

 

Low opposition

Go back to my original post then read yours and all you did was rephrase exactly what I said.

 

This is bizarre.

Once again, a 20 year old Roy Jones had RECENTLY turned professional when he fought those guys.

They were 2 years into his career.

So why were they questionable opponents?

Roy stepped up his competition just after that, when he fought guys like Vaca and Castro.

There was nothing unusual about Roy having fought the guys you mentioned.

 

This is bizarre that your literally saying the same thing I said and you dont realize it.

You call them low opposition and im calling them tomatoe cans.

Your saying its normal to fight low opposition im calling it padding his record.

Whats wrong is some of those guys should have never been cleared to fight to begin with.

Like the boxer(cant think of his name) who was denied to fight because of deterioration of the brain but then florida gave him the licencse then got knocked out.
Or Waddles with a 0-2 record.

Also 19 pro fights doesent mean he was new or a novice as your claiming especially coming from an olympic pedigree.

 

I get that. But they weren’t really questionable opponents, as that’s the kind of fighters who guys in Roy’s position fought back then.

Most guys, even ones with great amateur records who were great prospects and tipped for superstardom fought guys like that.

It wasn’t unusual.

Roy was tipped for great things, but he hadn’t fought anybody as a pro. So he was stepped up slowly, fighting the kind of guys who you’d have expected him to have fought at that stage.

Yes, most of them shouldn’t have been in the ring with him. But it’s happened all throughout history.

Most people fight guys like you’ve mentioned on the way up.

Some fighters, even great ones, fight guys who’ve lost more than what they’ve won. It’s not unusual at all.

 

I've covered all this before. Like you said, it was HBO who allowed this garbage to happen with their special soft contracts for Jones which were wide open to abuse.

With no way to justify the matchup, Jones & HBO invented a false narrative and lied through their back teeth when publicly putting the blame on the WBC by claiming Jones had to box Frazier in an enforced "mandatory" defense when it was in fact a voluntary defense; WBC interim champion Graciano Rocchigiani - who was the rightful WBC titlist and would eventually be retrospectively restored as WBC champion during this period by a federal judge - was the actual WBC mandatory challenger who had precedence to box Jones before anyone else ranked by the WBC.

As per WBC rules;

"Upon the return of the champion[Jones], the WBC will order a mandatory bout for the undisputed WBC title with the interim champion[Rocchigiani]. Both boxers are bound to participate in this bout and cannot participate in an intervening contest, except in special circumstances approved by a majority vote of the Board of Governors. If the bout is promoted through purse offer procedures, the purse split will be 55% for the champion and 45% for the interim champion."

After the lies told during the broadcast and subsequent backlash to the fight, WBC Presidente Jose Sulaiman - obviously not someone with any integrity - put out a statement to clarify that Jones-Frazier wasn't a mandatory defense;

WBC says Roy Jones was **NOT** forced to fight Frazier

Marty Mulcahey @ BoxingWise
27 Jan 1999

"They said that Frazier was the mandatory defense of the WBC, and that the WBC forced Jones into the fight and threatened to strip him of his title if he did not comply. Frazier was ranked No. 1 by the WBC, a fact for which I said I was embarrassed and took full responsibility.
But the WBC never ordered a mandatory defense for Jones versus Frazier and never threatened to strip him of the title. In fact, the fight was first announced as being only for the WBA light heavyweight title, which Jones also holds. The WBC only approved the fight a week before it took place and never before. The decision to fight Frazier was made voluntarily by Jones' representatives and HBO."

A month after Jones-Frazier, Jones was ordered to make his actual WBC mandatory defense vs Rocchigiani - which begs the question...why did the WBC even sanction Jones-Frazier? Or is that a dumb question ($$$). Jones could've probably avoided any eventual bout with Frazier by having him pushed into a Final Eliminator like he did with Tarver.

Unfortunately there was more fruitless negotiating with Rocchigiani and the likes of Steve Collins & Buster Douglas than actual boxing during this period. Only Jones knows why he wanted to box Frazier. It was probably the worst cherrypick & lowest point of Jones' prime.

HBO actually wanted Jones to drop his ABC titles but he didn't want to. It was Jones' choice of opponents that put an end to this type of HBO contract, though not after HBO made the same mistake and unbelievably gave him a new even softer contract in late 2000. I hear HBO dropped boxing quite a while before it's untimely death with Fury-Ngannou (RIP). It's a shame HBO didnt have any foresight back in the '90s.

But maybe I'm wrong about Roid & HBO and they genuinely didn't know the rules and actually thought they were telling the truth.

"I just don't care any more."

Why?

Because RIP boxing .

 

I never said it was unusual.
I said Rjj fought a bunch of tomatoe cans and padded his record before he signed with HBO and apparently you agree.
You tried to justify it by saying he was new and a novice and neither are true.
In my original post i mentioned a handfull of them that were criminal mismatches and thats it.

 

Exactly. Everybody starts out fighting stiffs at first

 

Those fights you listed other than Hall were at the beginning of his career before he signed with HBO

 

Yea no ****! Are you and Loudon sharing the same brain.

Did you read my post or did you come up with that all by yourself?

I said a true statement and both of you obviously agree because your both saying exactly what I said.

Just because your both rephrasing what I said doesent make it any different.

What is this Abbott and Costello!