Vergil Ortiz vs Tim Tszyu, Who Wins?

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  1. Toney F*** U

    Toney F*** U Boxing junkie Full Member

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    Crawford literally said Kavaliauskas was his toughest fight.
     
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  2. The Cryptkeeper

    The Cryptkeeper Well-Known Member Full Member

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    And George Foreman said that he was scared of Ken Norton.

    Bud is a classy guy and gives people their due but if you think it was his toughest fight then you're dreaming.

    Bud also said this to Joe Rogan

    https://boxing-social.com/news/terence-crawford-most-difficult-fight/
     
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  3. NoChin

    NoChin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    TBH, there is a lot of jealousy and hate towards Tszyu and there always has been. He won't do this. He won't do that. He's getting by off his fathers name. And look at him now, he's a World Champion.

    Horn would beat him.
    Harrison would beat him
    OCampo would be a handful for him
    Mendoza would beat him and stop him many suggested.

    THEY ALL LOST.

    If he was American he would be the Biggest name in boxing right now. Or at least in the top 3 or 4 according to '' THEIR '' ratings. He would be dubbed the future P4P King. He's not by the Americans or most of them yet. But he will be.

    I'm not a biased person. Right at this very moment, you can not dispute Terence Crawford's amazing class, fighting skills and rating in The World of Boxing. He's better than Tim or until proven otherwise. And I believe he will be proven otherwise. Tim will dethrone him. But to dismiss a guy from where's he's from or other reasons just wreaks of arrogance, ignorance and lack of truth.
     
  4. Toney F*** U

    Toney F*** U Boxing junkie Full Member

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    Kavaliauskas landed more punches on Crawford than anyone else and is the only guy to drop him. The kd was technically unofficial, but it was clear as day that he dropped him. Here’s Crawford admitting in an interview that Kav was his toughest opponent.
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    I think I’ll take his words over yours any day of the week. All you have to do is watch the fight and you can clearly see Kavaliauskas having more success than any other one of Crawford’s opponents.
     
  5. The Cryptkeeper

    The Cryptkeeper Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Moron, I provided you a link...read it. Crawford has changed his opinion...the Rogan interview was more recent.
     
  6. The Cryptkeeper

    The Cryptkeeper Well-Known Member Full Member

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    @Toney F*** U I retract the "moron" comment above and apologise (I don't believe in deleting such posts as that's a coward's approach).

    But it does appear that Bud changes his mind a bit.
     
  7. Toney F*** U

    Toney F*** U Boxing junkie Full Member

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    No hard feelings man lol. Anyway, maybe Bud does change his opinions quite a bit, but he does consistently say that his toughest fights were either with Gamboa or Kavaliauskas. Which brings me back to you calling Kav a nobody, which was just a straight up arrogant comment.
     
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  8. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    The Tszyunuts are way out of control on this thread, so... time for a much needed reality check.

    Just who has Timbo beaten?

    Wade Ryan is a tricky operator for bums looking to get found out, everyone else beats him fairly easily, he was basically already a journeyman when they fought.

    Jack Brubaker, about as Aussie level as they come, aside from the controversial gift over Nurse, never had a truly notable win.

    Bowyn Morgan, unproven on every level, most of his opponents, even the hardcores haven't heard of.

    Dwight Ritchie, RIP, but aside from a few domestic level bums, never had a notable win, also no power to speak of.

    Jeff Horn, so... here's the impressive one, oh wait... pre-Bud shellacking it would've been impressive, but post nearly being beaten to death by Michael Freaking Zerafa twice, come the **** on! He wasn't ripe for the picking, he was severely bruised and rotten to the core. I can't think of a Top 15 LMW that wouldn't have beaten him at that time.

    Dennis Hogan, I really like him and he got stiffed against Munguia. But pretty much anyone who cuts the ring off well will beat him. One of Tim's better wins.

    Steve Spark, the win means next to nothing. He was fresh off a move from 140 to 147 , and he couldn't polish off Brubaker, so his power hadn't carried up, then he moves up to 154 where has even less power. He immediately dropped back down to 140 after this quick big payday.

    Takeshi Inoue, another guy I like, but also another guy who's never had a notable win to his name. He's best known for getting outworked for 12 rounds straight against Munguia. Recently went life and death with absolute novice Weljon Mindoro, who was blowing out of his ass for the last 8 rounds.

    Terrell Gausha, who managed to drop Tim fairly hard in the first round, here in the States, is a virtual nobody. Never had a big win, aside from that horrendous scrub Jamontay Clark, best known for being ravaged by Golub, Rosario and Fundora, and getting Papa Al to protect his ass twice. Gausha has lost every time he's stepped up, shut out by both Lara and Lubin, who ain't that great himself.

    Carlos Ocampo, has beaten exactly who again? He's a can crusher who's been feasting on Mexican cab drivers his entire career. His three claims to fame, he got his guts ripped out by Spence in 1, then beat Zewski who's one of the biggest jokes Canada has produced in the last decade. Then he lost wide to Fundora, sure he went the distance with him, but so did Sergio Garcia who got ransacked by Yoenis Tellez. Fundora also couldn't stop 6 fight novice Daniel Lewis.

    Tony Harrison, the biggie that they all love to brag about! Here in the US, he's not held in high regard. He's primarily known for his terrible gas tank and glass jaw. The man got ragdolled by friggin Willie Nelson and Jarrett Hurd for Christ sake. He also came within a **** hair of being KO'd by goddamn Cecil McCalla, who couldn't crack an egg. Tony also struggled mightily with an ancient Ishe Smith and got perhaps the gift of the year over Bryant Perrella who systematically took him apart, Bryant's two claims to fame was being violently KTFO by Abel Ramos and Yordenis Ugas, who couldn't legit stop Mike Dallas.:lol: ToBut.... but.... but Tony beat Jermello! Yeah and? I picked him to beat Jermell. Because Jermell is a ****ing terrible boxer. He relies mainly on his KO to bail him out, after being outboxed on at least 10 occasions. This time he wasn't so lucky, but he got even in his next outing. So congrats to Tim, he's WIllie Nelson level!

    Brian Mendoza, huge fan of the guy and he's one of Tim's better wins. But let's be honest here, Rosario is a glass cannon who was sparked by Gallimore before he lucked out by being put in the ring with another glass cannon in J-Rock. Sure his win over Fundora was impressive, one I also predicted, and why is that? Because Fundora had almost been KO'd by Lubin the year before, and has been a KO waiting to happen for years. Aside from that, what has Brian done exactly? I'd love to spin his loss to Ramos, but I can't, at best he won two rounds. Hell, Ramos performed way more impressively than Tim did, certainly won more rounds. I'd also like to say he deserved to win over nobody Larry Gomez, but he didn't, at best it was a draw. He also couldn't KO Cornflake Lamanna which is just shameful. So sure, Brian is improved, but improved how much, we don't really know.

    So cool it with the hyperbolic non stop chimney load of smoke you're blowing up his ass. He's beaten three Americans most people here couldn't pick out of a goddamn lineup. Partially because the sport is basically dead, and also because they're simply not names. Harrison maybe people know, because he got a close win over Jermell and then got KTFO out by him. So give it a rest about Americans fearing this clowny jackass, because no one is sweating him in the least.
     
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  9. Toney F*** U

    Toney F*** U Boxing junkie Full Member

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    Hit the nail on the head with this post! I honestly don’t know how Tim has such die hard fans, the guy is overrated to hell on this forum.
     
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  10. drenlou

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    I remember years back certain posters were saying Timmy Tszyu was on the bum of the month tour, now they're number 1 fans. I don't get the flip flopping.
     
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  11. melhear

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    Yeah for sure. Tim has this really bad habit of turning all those that he has fought into BUMS Wonder whose gonna next be on Tim's "BUM OF THE MONTH LIST"
     
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  12. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    No, that's most people's perceptions of them here before Tim fought them.
     
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  13. NoChin

    NoChin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Nope. I disagree. He beat the guys that he had to, when he had to. Wade Ryan fight was yonks ago. What's he supposed to do? Fight Oscar De La Hoya 7 or 8 fights in etc?

    edited - Spot on. Almost. It was his 7th fight back in 2017. He was a rookie. And got off the deck and won.

    Brubaker fight was when, back in 2019? Horn in 2020. He's not going to step up in class too soon as almost no one does that early on in their career. Unless your his brother, which he has done numerous times already. Tim has continued to fight the best guys in line.

    Did he duck Charlo? He's the champion. Or was. The best in the division. He pulled through injury twice and then did a massive hop, skip and jump up in weight to fight Canelo and was scared, weak and didn't press the action. Where is he now? Why is he still not fighting Tszyu? You make it sound like Tim has avoided Charlo. It's the other way around. Tim has wanted to fight the best there is for a very long time. Even that clown Michael Zerafa pulled out the week of the fight lol.

    Sorry mate. You're wrong here. All you can do is beat what's in front of you and fight the best on offer and he's proved he can and will do that.

    Charlo ran way. That explains it all really.
     
  14. NoChin

    NoChin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Many would crumble btw getting floored on your U.S debut in the 1st round. He got up off the deck and belted the living daylights out of him for the next 11.5 rounds.
     
  15. The Cryptkeeper

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    Yeah, it's actually not though.

    Plenty on here were creaming themselves over both Harrison and Mendoza ending the "nepo hype job" until Tim the Destroyer made mincemeat out of them. Some on here still think that Charlo chick would beat him but the problem is that nobody knows where Charlo is.

    And now we have Virgil Ortiz and the mental gymnastics being used in here to create hype around a guy who is only a fringe contender at 147 who has just beaten a Ghanaian cab driver with no profile is hilarious.

    If they fight and Tszyu beats him (which is a stone, cold certainty) the excuses will come in from everywhere. Ortiz has health issues, Ortiz is only a 147 guy, Ortiz wasn't ready, Tszyu cherrypicks fights, etc.

    It's so predictable.
     
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