ATG Middleweight Chin Tier list-The Top Forty

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  1. Ioakeim Tzortzakis

    Ioakeim Tzortzakis Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think I'm going with titanium. That Robinson KO wasn't just a lightning in a bottle type of punch, but a ''The bottle was thrown like a frisbee across a motorway in broad daylight, and still caught the lightning '' punch. Don't think we're ever seeing anything like that again.
     
  2. McGrain

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    You're happy that that punch would have taken out Canelo Alvarez or Bert Lytell?

    Also, Lausse beat him him, sent him back, knocked him down.

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    That is a great fight for anyone who hasn't seen it.
     
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  3. Ioakeim Tzortzakis

    Ioakeim Tzortzakis Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Lytell is too much of an unknown, so I don't know, your guess is as good as mine. But I think it would knock out Canelo, probably wouldn't render him unconscious, but I'm having a hard time seeing him continue after such a hit. That thing was delivered straight from Dante's inferno.

    Lausse was a great hitter. Fullmer getting up from that as if he merely tripped and lost his balance might actually add points to his chin.
     
  4. McGrain

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    Not compared to not being dropped by the punch though?

    I'm actually not 100% sure this was ruled a knockdown (Though it should have been).
     
  5. AwardedSteak863

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    Gene's iron for me. Tough as nails and can take a punch but he is not in that Tiger, GGG, Canelo range.
     
  6. Ioakeim Tzortzakis

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    Yeah, of course, not being dropped would create a better case for his chin. But I don't personally put that much weight to KDs most of the time, often they're just temporary shocks that drop the fighter prior to them resuming just fine. It's surviving shots that would otherwise render someone unable to fight that determines a chin for me.

    Obviously, being dropped once every 3-4 fights is not good, even if the fighter does survive. But a fighter having been dropped 4-5 times in his career doesn't necessarily mean that he didn't have a titanium chin.
     
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  7. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I can't see Tiger as having anything but a 'Titanium' chin at Middleweight.
    Same for Lytell.
    Alvarez and Golovkin prop each other up in this tier, also.

    I would agree that it's difficult to give a 'Titanium' chin rating to any name listed who was taken out in a Middleweight bout, by a sock to the jaw. On that basis and harsh as it might seem, I'd probably have to place O'Dowd at somewhere near the top of the 'Iron' tier.
    Same for Fullmer.

    I'd agree with the 'Solid' Middleweight chin rating for both Benvenuti and Griffith.
     
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  8. McGrain

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    I kind of like the idea of Gene being at Iron because I feel it would legitimise Iron. I'm a little surprised at how full up Titanium is and i did prepare myself for it - near-ATG and ATG middles are bound to have some serious equipment, after all, it's such a stacked division.

    An iron chin would be enough to win a lot of fights, put it that way.
     
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  9. Greg Price99

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    Iron for Fulmer imo, he had a bloody good chin.
     
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  10. Drew101

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    One more for Iron with Fullmer.
     
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  11. McGrain

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    I think we'll call that decided then, though i'm open to persuasion still.
     
  12. McGrain

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    I'm not trying to prejudice anyone, but it seems to be the case that Billy Papke had to shoot himself three times in the heart in order that he might die :lol:

    Papke lost eleven as he lost his dicsipline but he was stopped only once, by a heavy, protracted beating by perhaps the best p4p puncher of his era, Stanley Ketchel. Marcel Moreau flashed him in the first round for a count which is interesting but single shots had, as a rule, no real effect upon which is how he was able to do more than 40 rounds with Ketchel, including a famous victory. Carpantier, Thomas, Klaus, Flynn, they all detonated to little or no effect - how does that stoppage affect his standing?

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  13. JohnThomas1

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    Iron.
     
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  14. George Crowcroft

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    Agreed. Just a step behind the true titanium fighters.
     
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  15. Man_Machine

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    Papke is right on the edge of a 'Titanium' chin rating, but doesn't quite get awarded the tag, for mine.

    Could others in the 'Titanium' bracket have withstood Ketchel, consistently over a series? I believe so.

    Papke = 'Iron', in my opinion.