GGG vs Canelo 2 AI Punch Count

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  1. Braindamage

    Braindamage Baby Face Beast Full Member

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    Not buying that. We're talking the president of the United Ststes. The attorney General Bill Bar was Trumps guy and he said there wasn't enough evidence to prove fraud. The AG could have seopenaed people, sieze computers phone records etc. He didn't, why not? Who was stopping Fox News from showing their evidence, who was stopping Sydney Powell from showing her evidence. Has any names been leaked about the guilty party that stole the election? Going on 4 years and nothing.
     
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    The only people who believe Trumps election denial crap are those with the blinders on.
     
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    ElCyclon Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The hypocrisy is real.
    This content is protected
     
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  4. m.s.

    m.s. Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Its one world government big, they aren't coming clean because of Powell or anybody else. Did they come clean with the vaccine's or cover it up?You know the answer. Trump has 91 indictments against him on election year. Nuff said.
     
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  5. vilderbeast

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    I read the title and the first page of this feed (I had GGG winning 1 and 2)

    Skipped to page 4 and we're on Trump hahahahahahaha
     
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    m.s. Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Things stolen are what the 2 subjects have in common.
     
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  7. vilderbeast

    vilderbeast Member Full Member

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    I'm in the UK where we have our own self serving arseholes in charge...but

    If the president rallies people into storming the capitol and is then handing out presidential pardons which don't include those people participating in the insurrection BUT STILL people follow him then that's on you. Not only you unfortunately. Trump would throw his own kids under the bus for a cheap win. Biggest charlatan in modern times
     
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  8. Grinder

    Grinder Dude, don't call me Dude Full Member

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    Canelo's robberies against GGG made his financial career as a hero for casuals. Scripted WWF style fights. He has granite ped protection on his chin and only needs to not get KOed. It is like Wilder, Fury, Tank and the like. Overrated and protected.

    In reality Canelo struggles to make top 10 p4p. Here are arguably 11 better fighters in a p4p sense. This is based on his actual performances against Lara, Trout, GGG, Bivol etc, and his fight selections such as his most recent fight against the smaller Charlo:
    Inoue
    Crawford
    Loma
    Usyk
    Beterbiev
    Stevenson Shakur
    Teofimo
    Benevidez
    Bivol
    Haney
    Opetaia
     
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  9. Ph33rknot

    Ph33rknot Live as if you were to die tomorrow Full Member

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    It counts punches to the gloves
     
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  10. Grinder

    Grinder Dude, don't call me Dude Full Member

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    Wow!
     
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  11. BCS8

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    Strangely, so did I! It's almost like we watched the same fight!
     
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  12. Grinder

    Grinder Dude, don't call me Dude Full Member

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    The criteria is punches landed. Defence only reduces the number of punches landed. If there was a round where fighter A threw 100 punches and landed 50, and fighter B threw 50 punches and landed 50, I'd tend towards A, for being more aggressive.
     
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  13. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Yeah, but defense means defense, not getting your head jabbed the f**** out of you. And effective mean EFFECTIVE, not getting outlanded by 150 punches.
    And we all know understand you are ignoring the AI, cause it doesn't fit your agenda, but AI is telling the whole story, which is:

    Canelo landed 202 punches, while GGG landed 354 punches. 152 more punches.

    High Impact Punches - 71 for Canelo, 89 for GGG.
    Thrown - 643 for Canelo to 950 to GGG
    Pressure - 28% for Canelo to 32% to GGG
    Aggression - 32% for Canelo, to 38% to GGG

    And again all of the secondary or third factors like defense, ring generalship, blq, blq, blq comes only after the punches landed. What decide a fight is punches, always has been, always will be.

    • Effective Aggression: Being aggressive gives the impression of dominance, but unless the boxer is landing shots and not constantly getting countered, it isn't really 'effective'. Judges look for effective aggression, where the aggressor consistently lands punches and avoids those from his opponent.
    • Ring Generalship: The fighter who controls the action and enforces their will and style.
    Your boy was neither of that. Canelo gassed out, and he was completely outboxed by GGG.
    Effective aggression is what GGG do to Canelo. Same as Ring generalship. What Usyk did to AJ.
    And when we talk about defense:

    So to sums it up, GGG landed 150 more clean shots than Canelo. GGG landed more High Impact Punches. GGG threw 300 more punches, GGG put more pressure on Canelo, and GGG was more aggressive than Canelo.

    Now all the biased Canelo fangirls can go and argue with the AI, not with me.
    This ain't my statistics. I don't need an AI to know that GGG was robbed. I don't need an AI to know Canelo always bring brought judges. Bivol and GGG fights are just 3 of the many cases of Canelo corrupt judges.
    I also don't need more evidence to know that Canela fans are the most deluded and biased ones of the planet.
    Ah it's good that one poster bring that up as well, from 55 media, only 2 had the fight for the Golden Egg, 38 for GGG and 15 for draw. This tells you the whole story.
    So keep trying Canelo fans, no one is taking you seriously.
    As far as Shadow goes, he is ignored by me for a long, long time. Arguing with a wall is a waste of time.
    He was explaining how Canelo won the Bivol fight at one point, so this was the breaking point for me with him.
     
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  14. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Yeah that's not hard. Software are written by people, so they can influence it the way they want. And in the Dev world, people loves to joke that AI is just a bunch of if and else statements(it's a lot more complicated). So depends on the system that is integrated, 100% can be programmed to score it or bias it to the "right" guy.
     
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  15. bjl12

    bjl12 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    2nd fight was a draw but it could've been given to either guy w GGG being the more appropriate recipient but Canelo had good work too. Kinda depends what observers like a prefer from consistent offense w a great jab or flash counters and combinations.

    Draw the right call but either guy couldve gotten the nod
     
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