Beterbiev vs Joe Calzaghe

I don't care what british judges had the fight at. You realize they very recently had Joshua beating Usyk on a card, and close on others? Yarde got dominated and ruined. Put a poll up in the General forum to see how many people agree that Beterbiev went "life and death" with Anthony Yarde because he took 2-3 clean shots. This fight was not close at all.

Ultimately you can't seem to stomach the fact that Calzaghe was never the fighter Beterbiev is. One fought a prime Gvozdyk and looked for all the challenges, the other hid out in Wales with an irrelevant belt for 10 years then got knocked down by shot to **** RJJ and Popkins.

 

Calzaghe beat Kessler. A man who was never the man. And would never be the man at 168 unless the era was unbelievably weak. 168 is a current wasteland and Kessler would not be favored to beat Canelo and perhaps not even Benavidez. Kessler is getting washed by Ward, Toney, RJJ, Calzaghe, etc. Very good fighter, but more an elite contender instead of a champion quality fighter.

168 is 168. Talking about beating the man at 175 is a tough ask for a guy whose legacy is built on the scalp of Kessler.

 

Beterbiev because Calzaghe has no real resume to speak of at LHW. (a razor thin win vs Bernard and the ghost of Roy ain't cutting it)

 

Fair enough cuch, I respect you as a poster so I wont resort to any dirty debate tactics. We can agree to disagree.

 

You don't unify the 168lbs WBC & WBA titles if you're only a contender you're taking absolute bollox there .

 

Hopkins dropped Calzaghe fair and square but if you watch the Jones knock down mike it's clearly an inside arm that dropped Joe in that fight .

 

Lopsided for Joe ?? I still believe B Hop indeed beat Calzaghe dropped him too. Calzaghe spoiled his resume by refusing to leave Britain where he had homeboy help. he blatantly ducked Darius M too That was the fight everyone wanted. I think Beterbiev blasts him out by the 6th

 

Watched that fight many times man. BHOP got schooled. Fell apart in the 2nd half and was crying to the ref looking for a way out. Joe won 8-9 rounds easy. But yeah I think Beterbiev is all wrong for Calzaghe, he's all wrong for BHOP too.

 

Yes, at 168, he took Lacy's IBF belt, and then Kessler's WBA and WBC belts, which , when added to the WBO belt he won from Chris Eubank, made him a 4-belt champion at super-middle weight.

But at light heavyweight, the weight under discussion, he took the belt from the lineal champion Bernard Hopkins, who was also recognized by Ring magazine as the Light heavy weight champion, not just a belt holder.

His very limited resume at LHW is IMO, superior to Andre ward's LHW resume.

 

Just to straighten out a couple of things you got wrong in your post...

There were no British judges judging the Beterbiev - Yarde fight.
There was one American, one French and one South Korean judge.

The American had Beterbiev trailing by three points at the time of stoppage.
The Korean had Beterbiev trailing by one point at the time of stoppage.
Only the Frenchman had Beterbiev up, and by one point.

No slyk, once again, you're confused here.
That didn't happen.

What DID happen was that one judge, the American judge, Glen Feldman, scored the fight 115 - 113 (7-5) in favour Joshua.

The British judge, Steve Gray had it 115-113 (7-5) for Usyk, and the Ukrainian judge, Viktor Fesechko, had it 116-112 (8-4) for Usyk,

No.

He got KO'd.

That in itself makes it a dominant win for Beterbiev.

But while the fight lasted, Yarde was neither dominated nor ruined.

You don't need to put up a poll...the RBR of the fight is still there. And since you weren't in that RBR, you could click the link and go back and look.

https://www.boxingforum24.com/threa...-dalakian-vs-david-jiménez-rbr.698529/page-58

Most posters on that thread scored it close with slightly more having Yarde ahead.
The judges' scores were well within reason.
As I said above, two had Yarde ahead and one had Beterbiev leading.

I had it four rounds to three for Beterbiev.
But 4-3 in the other direction would have been reasonable.

When a fight ends in a KO, we can't really say it was close.
But we can say that the Beterbiev - Yarde fight was close for the first seven rounds.

In that regard, it was similar to a lot of Beterbiev's fights.
Reasonably close and competitive until.......BOOM !

And that's how his fight with Yarde went.

 

Calzaghe was never lineal at LHW

 

According to RING, he was.

The lineal champion , originally the man who beat the man who beat the man...etc, becomes a bit controversial when a lineal champion retires as lineal champion.

In such cases, Ring Magazine recognizes the winner of a bout between #1 and #2 in a division with a vacant Ring title, as the new Ring and implicitly, lineal champion.

In 2001, Ring Magazine, without a LHW champion since Michael Spinks retired, named Roy Jones Junior as its champion.

Jones lost the title to Tarver who lost it to Hopkins who lost it to Calzaghe.

 

https://www.linealboxingchampion.com/new-page-3

 

Yes, I've seen that.

But as I mentioned before, there is a degree of arbitrariness when it comes to naming a new lineal champion upon the retirement of the previous lineal fighter who did not lose his title in the ring.

For example, Ring Magazine awarded the title to Roy Jones Junior in 2001.

And many years later, linealboxingchampion.com, which you link, awarded their lineal title retroactively to Virgil Hill in 1996. ( Retroactively, since they didn't exist till 2018).




If we follow the linealboxing.com lineage, it goes through Dariusz Michalczewski and thus skips RJJ, and the subsequent Tarver-BHop- Calzaghe line

If we follow the Ring's lineage, we get the RJJ-Tarver-BHop- Calzaghe line.

So it depends on who you feel was deserving of restarting the line after Spinks,...Roy Jones Junior or (Roy victim) Virgil Hill.



Which comes down to choosing between the choice of Ring Magazine (Founded in 1922 and often called the Bible of Boxing), or

linealboxingchampion.com (founded in 2018).

 

Calzaghe hits like a girl... comparing to Beterbiew