Roy Jones Jr. vs. Artur Beterbiev at 175.

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  1. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    You people live in a fantasy world. He never fought anyone who could punch like Beterbiev, apply such educated pressure, and maintain it for all 12 rounds.


    Usyk is fast and Beterbiev isn't slow at all and timing beats speed and so does intelligence and savvy. There is no way in hell Roy is going to be able to avoid getting clipped for 12 rounds. I've never seen anyone outbox Beterbiev for more than one or two rounds and even then the rounds were still very competitive.

    If Roy is so untouchable how was he dropped by Lou Del Valle and knocked out in the amateurs by Irishman John Reid? How comes Glenn Johnson sparked him out cold upon impact and Antonio Tarver knocked his ass senseless and had him dribbling baba spittle on the canvas whilst his eyes were in separate obit to each other.

    Roy once said pressure fighter Jorge Castro gave him his toughest fight, Beterbiev is Castro x 100 but unlike Castro he actually trains like a demon not just on public holidays, is much smarter, and is way stronger and more powerful. I'd actually be worried for Roy's well being if he dared step foot into a ring with Beterbiev. The paramedics would need super duper strength smelling salts to revive him.
     
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  2. Slyk

    Slyk Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If Roy doesn't blitz Beterbiev early and hurt him it'll be a long painful night. Either RJJ TKO2 or Beterbiev KO7.
     
  3. bjl12

    bjl12 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    When you say peak Roy do you mean PED Roy
     
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  4. bluebird

    bluebird Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Someone gets KOed.

    Roy wont be able to UD Artur. He would need a body shot KO like Virgil Hill to beat him.
     
  5. MismatchHypejob

    MismatchHypejob Active Member Full Member

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    Roy never fought someone with the elite educated pressure Beterbiev has..combine that with his size, strength and punching power, Roy doesn’t come out alive
     
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  6. steviebruno

    steviebruno ESB NYC Delegate banned Full Member

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    Roy, 116-112 and easily.
     
  7. Contro

    Contro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Beterbiev might win, but everyone claiming Roy has never faced anyone like him.....
    Has beterbiev ever faced anyone REMOTELY close to Roy???

    Roy is just as much of an outlier if not more so especially compared to their opposition.
     
  8. Jackstraw

    Jackstraw Mercy for me, justice for thee! Full Member

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    Roy was great - there’s no denying that. Many thought he was up there with SRR and SRL. In terms of talent and athleticism, he was. But unless you die young, greatness must be maintained and the masses reminded. Roy neglected that. His resume isn’t as bad as his critics say, but it’s not even close to SRR, SRL, Ali, Pacquiao, Spinks, Charles, Moore, or the lesser lights of Holyfield, De la Hoya, Morales, Barrera etc. Reluctant Roy and the Roycott had their basis in reality. The reason that Roy rapped Y’all Must’ve Forgot was because boxing was tired of him fighting unemployed bartenders and assistant grave diggers while talking about himself in the third person, while guys like undefeated Dariusz M and Vassily Jirov were in or close to his weight class. Imagine rapping about how good you were to people rightfully tired of you no longer fighting…instead of actually fighting someone to remind them. Roy was a victim of his own hubris.
    Based on what we witnessed of Roy at 175, he never would’ve signed to fight Arthur. He would’ve priced himself out, claiming his health was more important and in the next breath announce that he’s fighting an off duty fireman. He had the physical ability to beat Beterbiev but not mental fortitude to prove it in the ring.
     
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  9. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Beterbiev has a good chance although I make Roy the favorite for now
     
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  10. MidniteProwler

    MidniteProwler Fab 4. Mayor of Aussie Boxing Full Member

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    I would favour Roy but I find it amusing that some are calling Beterbiev a drug cheat when I doubt Roy was so innocent.
     
  11. steviebruno

    steviebruno ESB NYC Delegate banned Full Member

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    Rpy maintained his greatness for long enough and exhibited much better longevity than SRL. He was 35 when Tarver got him in that second fight and we all know he wasn't the same after sucking back down from heavyweight.

    Darius M decided to be a footnote and doesn't deserve mention. Jirov would have made a nice punching bag.

    The fights I wanted for Roy were Toney at heavy, Chris Byrd, and Holyfield... possibly Tyson. There were some intriguing fights for him to make had he just stayed where he was after beating Ruiz. It made no sense for him to cater to Tarver and boil down like that.
     
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  12. NewBoxingOrder

    NewBoxingOrder Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Lou Del Valle dropped a 29 year old RJJ.

    He's a heck of a fighter but there's no way he makes it to the final bell against Beterbiev.
     
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  13. fistsof steel

    fistsof steel Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Prime Roy would be up there with the All Time Greats...Can not tip against Him.!!!
     
  14. KO_King

    KO_King Horizontal Heavyweight Full Member

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    I take your point. And I enjoy the discussion. Jones certainly had his share of undeserving mandatories. But, to be fair, he did beat a number of former and future world champions - and HOF ers - along the way (though not all at 175). And I don't agree that greatness must be maintained ... we all get older and, in the ring, that manifests itself as losses (think, Ali, Tyson, Holyfield etc). It's what they did at their best that counts. Everyone has a different style - not everyone can be Foreman or Hopkins. Jones fought until he was what, fifty?!! Impossible to maintain quality at that age, with his style, especially against much younger guys. He is certainly guilty of carrying on waaay too long though. If he'd retired after spotting the warning signs in Tarver 1, a lot of these discussions wouldn't be happening.
     
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  15. No_name_tard

    No_name_tard Active Member Full Member

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    This is a great fight. Roy may very well have been unbeatable at 168 and below but at 175 there may have been a few fighters that would have done him in. I will reserve judgement until Bivol-Beterbiev. If Bivol manages to outbox and keep Beterbiev's pressure off him for 12 rounds, I reckon Roy would do one level better than him and win a UD.

    But Beterbiev isn't James Toney. His 2nd best attribute after his power is his footwork. Escaping his punches for 12 rounds is as difficult as outboxing a prime Roy. Both have freakish attributes for their respective styles. Even during his prime, Roy's chin was his weakest aspect. He never had iron in his chin, although it wasn't always glass. Beterbiev landing would definitely get more than his attention. Roy doesn't have the power to KO Beterbiev btw. He had power at 175 but Beterbiev has already proven his chin against bigger punchers at 175.
     
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