Is there a theoretically perfect way to catch peds?

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  1. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    Completely different scenarios. Alcohol you can feel if you have it in your system, especially at the level where it becomes illegal and the test of blood alcohol level is far easier to detect because people are not cycling on and off alcohol, using masking agents, creating new drugs and new methods to mask it and you are not having to test people 24/7, 365 days per year randomly to catch them, it's cheap, accurate and hard to defend against with blood tests as a method to prove alcohol level once arrested.

    Also the sheer amount of banned substances they need to test for is huge and some will be legal under certain circumstances and some are in medications that athletes at times will require to take hence the existence of TUE's. Which is why you have cases where athletes have unknowingly consumed banned substances.

    Bermane Stiverne failed a test and his defence was he used a supplement which contained a banned substance which it normally doesn't as the batch he had was contaminated with this drug. It was a simple case of testing the batch he had compared to other batches to confirm that and so they we're convinced he took a banned supplement unknowingly.

    If you had done any research regarding life bans you would realise why it's not possible. It's not that the anti doping bodies don't want it, it's a case of it not being enforceable and as I said before would actually result in more people getting away with doping because the burden of proof is higher. In an ideal world it would be as simple as you suggest but in the real world it's far more complicated. I once had the exact same stance as you, life bans end off and didn't understand why it didn't happen. Then I read up on the subject and found out that this was something they did try to do but they discovered as I have explained it's not workable.
     
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  2. iceferg

    iceferg Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The top 20? So what happens when they fight someone who's 25 in the rankings.
     
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  3. iceferg

    iceferg Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    To be fair now I'm disillusioned with it all. I don't see a big disparity of skill most the time with top pros and national level just a huge difference in physical attributes.

    Now in the case of most these big names you know they're PEDed up to the gills, that's what's giving them this boost. Then you have to listen to these PED heads like AJ and Fury talk about their God given talents how great they are after they've had a good night and just battered a probably natural athlete.

    The fact that a juice head like Ngannou can compete with the top fighters first time out shows you how important that side of it is.
     
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  4. bjl12

    bjl12 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Correct across the board
     
  5. KernowWarrior

    KernowWarrior Bob Fitzsimmons much bigger brother. Full Member

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    I know they will not ban for life, but that is not because they cannot, they just will not.

    With the present set up it will not happen, but wait until juiced up kills a non juiced up, which will happen, is proveable, some deceased family see compensation figures and looking for someone to blame, then sure as hell things will change.

    So yes i am fully aware of your argument, and yes a realist, but that does not change my idealistic views.
     
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  6. iceferg

    iceferg Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Nigel Benn was juiced when he did that to Gerald McClellan. Don't know if both of them were but Benn was.
     
  7. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    Then why was Lance Armstrong banned for life or Baseball player Jenrry Meija, Ben Johnson too was initially banned for life but it was overturned.

    In 2014 they gave life time bans to 14 Russian athletes at the winter Olympics in South Korea. But again these were later overturned because the burden of proof for a lifetime ban was too great to enforce these lifetime bans permanently.

    Marion Jones was given a lifetime ban too.

    The desire is there to ban athletes for life if they could as proven by the fact they have done so before when the evidence was irrefutable as there was evidence beyond just a failed test such as witnesses, or the athlete had failed doping tests and was suspended on 3 different occasions. But as mentioned many of these were overturned because again the burden of proof is too great.

    If what you saying was true they would have never even tried to ban any of these as well as many other athletes for life.
     
  8. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    They have caught them but the Commissions just let them slide by
     
  9. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    Agree 100 % all fighters popping dirty for Peds , or for any other cheating, should be banned for life from the sport
     
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  10. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  11. MidniteProwler

    MidniteProwler Fab 4. Mayor of Aussie Boxing Full Member

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    Nothing will ever work considering the most well known fighter of the last era Floyd Mayweather was caught red handed with an illegal IV and there were no consequences.
     
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  12. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Hire Matt Foley.