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  1. mrbigshot

    mrbigshot Active Member Full Member

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    Give me facts . Aj was the only usyk,s fight time top 10 opponent in usyk,s entire heavyweight career . What champion was more pathetic or weak? No trolling but give me facts
     
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  2. BubblesUK

    BubblesUK Doesn't buy hypejobs Full Member

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    Let's do this the simple way.

    Usyk's only top 10 wins are AJ X2.

    So... What could be worse?
    Easy - the guy who lost his belt to a less proven version of AJ. Surely that's undeniable?


    Usyks beaten the guy with either the best or second best heavyweight resume active in the division at the time... Arguments can be made both ways, but AJ and Fury have the best resumes right now by a long way.
     
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    The Ambling Alp Primo Carnera..
     
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  4. mrbigshot

    mrbigshot Active Member Full Member

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    I very appreciate .

    Lets do it the simple way : what hw world champion in boxing history had faced only 5 hw fights and in this fights he faced only 4 opponents and with this 4 oponnents only one of them was a top 10 during the fight he won?

    Aj lost to usyk but look how many hw fights he has and how many top10 opponents he faced !

    I like to see kingwilders reply, he called me trolling , but it seems the most here cheer usyk on a influencer fan level and no trolling is going on here

    USYK is the weakest champion in history !
     
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  5. BubblesUK

    BubblesUK Doesn't buy hypejobs Full Member

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    Sorry, but this is ridiculous.

    Martin lost to AJ.
    Usyk beat AJ.

    How do you figure that Martin is a better champion than Usyk?

    Usyk was a great at cruiser, possibly the GOAT at the weight.

    He stepped up to heavyweight late, didn't waste time with lots of tuneups and fought a guy who was top 2, and beat him twice.

    Yes, he hasn't had a lot of fights, but he's got two wins against AJ that are WAY better than Wilder has in 45+ fights at heavy.
     
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  6. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Charles Martin won his vacant world title on a freak knee injury and promptly lost it in his first defence by TKO2 when he stepped up to Brit Level

    Is he the worst HW champ of all time. Maybe, maybe not. But he's definitely one of them.

    Stiverne is right up there with him

    If my mathmaticals are correct

    The Dosser, his 2 best wins Stiverne and Ortiz, and their best wins Arreola and Charles Martin have all beaten a combined 3 world champions between them in 197 combined fights and one of those 3 world champions was shot to smithereens, one of the others was a sick Stiverne, and the other is Charles Martin the later two of whom are arguably the worst HW champs of all time

    The Dosser is 3-3-1 against world champions but it should be 3-4-0 but against prime not shot to hell world champions he should be 1-4-0

    And against prime healthy world champions he should be 0-4-0

    It's like one huge garbage dump
     
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  7. mrbigshot

    mrbigshot Active Member Full Member

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    That is your personal opinion

    The facts :

    Wilder has of course way more hw fights , title defences and top 10 opponents than usyk in hw !

    I,m not saying wilder is better but please face the facts here . Usyk,s legacy in hw is nothing with his 5 hw fights and only one top 10 opponent there .

    He was goat in cw but we are talking only hw !

    Lets remember the question : who is the weakest hw champion in history

    Based on facts : usyk
    Based on personal opinions : whoever you wish

    Only influencers here or what ?
     
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  8. BubblesUK

    BubblesUK Doesn't buy hypejobs Full Member

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    What are you talking about?

    Wilder has only fought 2 genuine top ten fighters and lost to both (Fury and Parker).

    At best, if you include Ortiz (as laughable as that is given his pathetic resume) then Wilder lost to 2 out of 3 top ten fighters he fought.... Then the vast majority of the rest he fought weren't even top 20.

    Usyks legacy right now is limited, I agree.

    If/when he beats Fury, he'd have beaten the two best guys with the two best resumes in the division... Still not a large quantity of fights, but clearly a serious fighter.

    This isn't facts.

    Explain how Usyk is a worse champion than Martin.
    Please do not ignore this and go off on a tangent again.

    It's really simple:
    1) Martin lost to AJ
    2) Usyk beat AJ twice
    Therefore:
    3) Martin is a worse champion than Usyk.

    This is basic logic and as close to undeniable fact as it's possible to get.
     
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  9. quest00

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    I'll give you Martin, but Stiverne at his best was not Poor. No one as poor as you say destroys Arreola 2x. At his best he was tough, had good hand speed, Jab and Power.
     
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  10. NoChin

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    Union Cane
     
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  11. Pepsi Dioxide

    Pepsi Dioxide Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Damn this is one of my top answers!

    Bentt
    Charles Martin
    Stiverne
    Seldon

    The reverse Mt Rushmore of Heavyweight Champions.
     
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  12. Serge

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    AJ is the second best HW of his generation behind Usyk and he has the best resume at HW. The way smaller Usyk whooped him in his backyard and then he repeated the trick in Saudi with the huge distraction of his country being at war in front of Prince Khalid

    Usyk beat Chisora who beat Pulev, Washington and who many feel was robbed against former WBO champ J-Park all after Usyk beat him. J-Park just schooled The Dosser 12-0 with contemptuous ease. Chisora was robbed against J-Park in their first fight including dropping him all after Usyk beat Chisora. So Usyk's second worst win at HW came over someone who was robbed against the guy who just shut The Dosser out 12-0 :lol:

    Former WBA reg champ Dubois who is ranked #7, #3, #5, #7 by the sanctioning orgs just knocked out undefeated 340lb giant Big Baby Miller

    Usyk also holds wins over top HW Michael ''The Bounty'' Hunter who holds wins over highly ranked Bakole, and Sergey Kuzmin, and a controversial draw against Povetkin

    Savage punching HW Gassiev who has knocked out most of the Dosser's best wins in the gym.

    Usyk also holds win over Ring ranked #8 Big Joe Joyce. In fact, Usuk holds wins over the current WBA #1 HW Bakole and the current WBO #1 ranked HW AJ

    In the WSB he also beat huge punching 3 x world amateur champion Majidov who beat loads of elite SHW amateurs and future HW pros, MihaI Nistor who is stopped both AJ and Wallin in the ams

    I'm sure there's many more instances of this with Usyk too

    And if you travel a bit down South Usyk holds wins over current CW champ big punching Goulamirian, only recently stripped or vacated CW champ Badou Jack, and down at LHW the demonic punching current undefeated three-belt unified LHW champ Beterbiev too who is P4P #5

    So Usyk holds wins over world champions, former world champions and top contenders in three divisions all currently ranked in them right now.

    The fact that Usyk whooped The second best HW of this generation in their backyard in front of 65,000 รท rabid AJ fans in only his 3rd fight at HW with everything stacked heavily against him and then repeated the trick over in Saudi again in just his 4th fight at the weight reflects very well on Usyk not the reverse

    AJ has beaten

    Wlad
    Povetkin
    J-Park
    Fat Andy
    Pulev
    Whyte
    Wallin
    Martin
    Takam
    Franklin

    And the we get into Dosser level opponents with Helenius, Breazeale and Molina
     
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  13. slash

    slash Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Stiverne
     
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  14. AwardedSteak863

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    He was one of my least favorite to watch for sure but with that said, he beat some pretty good heavyweights. His fights were zero fun to watch.
     
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  15. PunishingJab

    PunishingJab New Member Full Member

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    Well of the recent lineal champs, Briggs stands out in particular. In fact so do Moorer and old Foreman, and that whole sequence was commenced by the freak malfunction that Holyfield suffered against Moorer.

    The Leon Spinks of the first Ali fight was very good, maybe not a stand out lineal champ, but not a bum at all. Even at 35 Ali was so tough and had such freakish endurance over 15, that beating him was very difficult. Spinks fought 3 minutes of the round the whole distance and just outworked the declined but still sharp Ali.

    I find it impressive that the great Larry Holmes dispatched of Neon Leon in 4 actually.
     
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