Who?

Fanboy level - ‘I don’t like your opinion so you have a tiny dick’

Yeah again mate I think somethings are best left unsaid by you.

I think once again you completely miss the point of this thread unlike everyone else and are still just trying to pick an argument.

Gear, nutrition, and technique are naturally important factors in determine how a fighter would fair on a head to head basis. However in the context of this thread it is not relevant, it’s to do with how good a champion a fighter was. Who did they beat in their era, who did they fight, who they won a belt from, and how respectively good they were for their time/era.

Marciano was a smaller than the guys today and fought under completely different conditions yet he largely dominated his era and retired undefeated with an excellent career beating several top ranked guys. I would hardly call him a paper champion.

Martin on the other hand fought today with access to modern training and nutrition yet he failed to defend his belt and quit during his only title defence. He also won the belt because his opponent got injured. I’d hardly call him a strong champion and he’s clearly way way below Marciano when it comes to comparisons of who was a better heavyweight champion.

This thread is not about who would win on a head to head basis.

I have no idea what your problem and issue is still. Also I think it’s clear you are trying to continue an argument because you are still upset and have no intention in actually engaging with this thread. I think you are just another troll/guy who can’t handle any other opinions.

We are also still waiting for why Usyk is a weaker champion than Martin and Stiverne (your words not mine). It may be the worst take I’ve ever seen on this forum, well done mate.

 

They also didn’t really do much as champions or beat anyone of note. I’d rank Byrd much higher than the other two considering he has a couple of very good wins and imo was the better fighter. Valuev was always limited and robbed Holyfield. Ruiz lost the belt against a middleweight and never showed any real world class ability. He’s an excellent suggestion to this topic.

 

Where did I state he was? It seems you are having imaginary arguments in your head, no one was stating that. What everyone was saying that to claim Usyk as the weakest was just silly and inaccurate.

“He has only one top 10 opponent in his entire hw career like martin but martin has 34 pro hw fights and usyk has 5” - this statement is silly and lacks any context whatsoever.

Usyk defeated AJ twice comfortably and beat Dubois, two guys who are better than anyone on Martin’s resume. Martin’s one win against Galzkov was due to him suffering a torn ACL - to not mention that is ridiculous.

Usyk had had 5 heavyweight fights and in that time achieved far more than guys like Martin, Stiverne, Seldon, Ruiz Jr, Ruiz, Briggs, even other champions like Ibragimov, Valuev, Parker, and Chagaev to name a few. Two of his wins at cruiserweight, Hunter and Gassiev, turned out to be solid contenders at heavyweight as well.

In what world is he among the weakest champions?

Also stating Usyk would demolish Martin if they ever fought is not a ‘fanboy’ thing to say - it’s completely fair based on their respective skill sets, ability, resumes, and mutual opponents.

What would be a fanboy statement is claiming Ngannou beats Usyk based on a singular fight at heavyweight.

 

- Usyk moved up a weight division which dominated, it’s not like he’s just started out. Also are 20 wins over a bunch of journeymen better than a career beating world class cruiserweights - absolutely not.

- Who has Martin beaten? No one, Dubois is better than every single guy he has beat and has demonstrated far more in the ring than the Prince.

- Usyk has two wins over AJ. That puts him well above a lot of previous champions. You also seem to imply it’s somehow his fault - he started out in a lower weight class and has not ducked a single challenger at heavyweight.

- You were the one who stayed in another thread Ngannou stood a good chance against Usyk, Usyk will never face him because he actually fights guys who have earned their shot through the ranking system.

- That’s like saying Fury is better than Adam Kownacki but because they’ve never fought we don’t know. Usyk is clearly levels above Martin, that much isn’t speculation at this point.

- Do many here wish he is? No, they just want him to beat Fury - there’s a big difference.

Again you are creating imaginary arguments because you don’t Usyk and can’t handle the fact he’s actually a good heavyweight. You are now backtracking on your previous claims that he’s the weakest heavyweight champion in history. Please think before you post.