Molten Lava Vitriol For Rocky Marciano

Muscato was briefly ranked no 10 in 47,he fought Rocky in Dec 49 he had lost his last 4 fights, would have 2 more ,lose them and retire. Beshore was briefly ranked no 10 in 46,he fought Marciano in 51,Beshore had lost 6 of his last 8 fights.
I can find no time that Schkor or Reynolds were ever ranked.

Savold?
"The will was there but not the body," said Daly. "I'm going to advise Lee to retire from the ring tomorrow."

John (Ox) DaGrosa, Pennsylvania state athletic commissioner, said he was going to suspend Savold indefinitely and ask him to retire.

 

Literally every champion minus Primo and Willard are blown up light heavies compared to modern times. We respect what they did in their Era. Marciano was not a weight bully, he overcame weight, that makes him greater.

His legs didn't give, Marciano landed a brutal shot. A heavyweight champion, especially one like Walcott whom gave Louis and Charles hell, is not a journeyman. That is disrespectful to say and completely ignoring the circumstances that caused that in his earlier career. He was broke, supporting a family of 6 on a $5 weekly release check, starving, could barely trained, heavily mismanaged. Obviously these things were corrected. Didn't even have an amateur career. Should we hold it to fighters that have spotty amateur records, when they're gaining experience, even if they aren't fully committed to boxing at the time? Or if they're literally broke, starving and destitute? Low tier bait, extremely disrespectful to Walcott.

Blown up light heavies have a history of doing extremely well in the heavyweight division. Our current champion is a blown up cruiser. A blow up light heavy beat Holmes. A blown up light heavy nearly beat Louis. A blown up light heavy beat Baer and became champ. A blown up light heavy beat Dempsey twice (washed Dempsey obviously). A blown up light heavy beat Marvin Hart. A blown up MIDDLEWEIGHT became champion (Bob Fitzsimmons). Etc. Are we to detract from Sugar Ray Leonard because he got beaten by a blown up Lightweight?

Do you not understand sport specialization? That girl that beat Ali was an Olympian BTW, lmao.

Did you not read "European"

All the heavyweight champions are American or European, for the large majority.

I don't have the time or willpower to do these old school back and forths like i used to. I hope some other Marciano fan bites your bait, it seems to be your primary motive for being here, at least thats what ive noticed for the last 4 years (primary, not "only", do not try to misquote me). Good day

 

I posted a thread last year asking for explanations from Marciano’s most devoted acolytes of why the guy is so adored. It was very enlightening and I have a greater understanding of things now. I do think his acolytes sometimes go too far in building him up. At the same time his detractors IMO often go too far in trying to tear him down.

 

I already showed you in the other thread that all of these guys were ranked by either the NBA or Ring magazine.

Fighting former contenders is an ordinary thing when a fighter is coming up the ladder. It is only a problem when it is Marciano.

 

You went spectacularly off the rails in line one when you called Walcott a journeyman. Really, you are a guy whose posts I like in other contexts, but this one is not even worth reading.

 

Charles was #1 when Marciano fought him, not Valdez. Nothing is going to change that.

You posted the video.

 

Walcott spanked Louis, for one.

 

And Charles for another. Harold Johnson. Elmer Ray. Joey Maxim. Bivins. Oma. Agramonte. Hein Ten Hoff. Baksi. Murray.

 

Walcott got tired and started plodding, stepping lightly only in spurts, as the fight dragged on. It is exactly as writers predicted he could be beaten, that his legs would give. He tried to finish Rocky in the 10th or 11th (I forget exactly and don't feel like looking at it) and never recovered. Did Marciano have anything to do with it? Sure, he was a pressure fighter. But the pressure got to an old fighter more quickly and more severely than it would a younger opponent.

Walcott was a journeyman, plain and simple. Those paid to watch and comment on him at the time considered him such:

San Francisco Chronicle, 11/30/47
"As a journeyman fighter (Walcott) who wants to stay in the business, he has learned to protect himself, even at the cost of displeasing the crowd."

Washington Evening Star, 12/6/47
"Joe Louis... today is wearing a tarnished crown which belongs on the fuzzy semibald head of Jersey Joe Walcott, 34-year old journeyman heavyweight and ebony-hued father of six children."

Plain Dealer 6/23/48
"(Walcott) only lately come to be recognized as a fair journeyman operator after 17 years of ring warfare."

Washington Evening Star 12/8/49
"Walcott doesn't have youth. He's older than Louis. Jersey Joe lacks the vicious, killing instinct which lifted Dempsey to the peak of popularity... He is, in short, a plodding journeyman heavyweight who had his night."

Burton Hawkins, Buffalo News, 7/30/48
(Walcott) He's a moderately talented, but extremely cautious- a 34-year old journeyman heavyweight who finds himself squarely in the championship picture strictly due to the mediocrity of his competition."

Milwaukee Journal, 6/22/48
"For Walcott is strictly a second rater, a journeyman boxer working at a trade."

Richmond Times Dispatch, 3/5/50
"The heavyweights are such a poor lot that a journeyman fighter (Walcott), who once quit the ring but came back to fight regularly, can make the No. 7 heavyweight look like a novice amateur scrapper."

Oregon Journal, 7/20/51
"His is a story- which for sheer drama- rivals that of another old man, Jim Braddock. The both hail from New Jersey and each was a journeyman for years without ever getting past first base in their race for fame and fortune."

Commercial Appeal, Memphis, 6/5/52
"Though he's an effective journeyman artilleryist, Walcott's style places heavy demands upon his legs as he jibs about in the manner of barefooted man on a sun-blasted tin roof."

The blown up light heavy who beat Holmes was over 200 pounds and had only had 27 fights damage not 100. The fact that a feckless blown up light heavy beat Baer says all we need to know about Max. Ditto for Hart. Our current blownup light heavy is 6-3, with a 78" reach and weighs in at over 220, or to put it in better relief, as big as prime George Foreman.

She wouldn't have beaten me and I, like Ali, would never have sniffed the NFL.

Joshua and Lewis (and Ruddock) were second generation African and Jamaican respectively. Immigration is part of widening the talent pool. I thought that should have been obvious

I believe my work here is done. Always a pleasure.

 

There was a thread a couple of months ago on the deepening mistery of Walcott's journeyman status.

It was most enlightening on some of Walcott's life circunstances explaining why his resume had so many bumps and breaks and how a guy who lost almost one third of his fights, can still be considered kind of a marginal ATG.

 

Because he was heavyweight champ, and beat a number of champions and contenders. He is ranked 10 of all time by boxrec, which you may or may not think much of, but it is a mathematical formula.

 

The question is why didnt Marciano fight Valdes when HE was number 1? Which ranking he got by BEATING Charles

 

1) Because he lost the spot
2) Because when he was offered he fight, he turned it down according to your source
3) And because Valdez was largely seen in his day as a poor contender:

https://vault.si.com/vault/1955/09/...ght-makes-him-the-sports-communications-champ

 

This right here, Charles was an all time great light heavyweight, but he was 2-2 in his 4 fights before Marciano and finished the last 29 fights of his career 12-17. Walcott was 38 then 39 when he fought Marciano and his career ended with a 7-7 record in his last 14 fights. Louis was just completely shot and only had his jab which he busted Marciano's face with. Moore? probably is his best win, over a 41 year old light heavy. None of this was Rocky's fault that who he tangled with were way past it, but you can't ignore the facts. A 33 year old light heavyweight Charles in his 97th pro fight almost beat Marciano, Moore a light heavyweight dropped Rocky as did an ancient Walcott. I've always thought Emanual Steward described Rocky the best, the greatest over achiever in boxing history.

 

I'm sorry but this response in particular had me cracking up:

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A good satirical example of the hero worship that exists in boxing fandom (which admittedly I indulge in sometimes).