How Dirty was Lewis ?

Does this remind you of anything? It looks almost exactly like another fight I can't quite put my finger on it

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Reminds me of a fighter with an excellent game plan but who's fruits ripened too late...

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It is factual

By simply watching footage, Wladmir is clearly the better fighter. Better power, speed, skill, technique, etc. that cannot be disputed.

By looking at opponents beaten, Wladmir is clearly the better fighter. He beat Haye, Byrd, Peter, etc.

By looking at rankings and achievements of opponents, Wladmir is the better fighter.

By looking at both amateur and professional careers, Wladmir is the better fighter. A gold medal and 2x champion with a very long reign vs a guy who never became champion once.

By looking at h2h, Wladmir literally beat Povetkin.

By any metric, Wladmir is factually better.

You're being pedantic and hiding behind subjectivity to argue just for the sake of arguing since you'd rather eat glass than give Wladmir any credit.

 

It was a travesty and should be a DQ loss. If you clinch more times than you punch, that is hardly some sort of notable performance unless we are talking about wrestling and UFC.

Your attempts at trolling and being coy are very transparent.

 

You're just making and argument and calling it fact. I can make the argument that Povekin was a better insider fighter , better body puncher , better combination puncher.
Better chin. Better stamina. Physically and mentally a lot tougher. Didn't rely on his own personal ref so he could cheat and foul all throughout his title reign. Come to think of it , all these statements are factual and not opinion.

"Wladimir literally beat Povetkin". Many people would dispute the method used to get that win. And it was entirely referee dependent. A different ref and a different result. If he was "factually" a better fighter he would have shown it in the ring , through skill and class. But he didn't and was forced to produce a performance that made a mockery out of the sport instead. So ur statement is not factual , its opinion

 

A fighter is judged on their overall ability. It can be true that Povetkin is a better inside fighter, better with combinations, chin, etc, while still being inferior overall to Wladmir, which he is.

List all relevant metrics and Wladmir will tick off more boxes. I do it in vs threads all the time. I'll even include the metrics you listed:

Power: Wladmir
Speed: Wladmir
Chin: Povetkin
Footwork: Wladmir
Technique: Wladmir
Defense: Wladmir
Inside fighting: Povetkin
Outside fighting: Wladmir
Body punching: Povetkin
Jab: Wladmir
Hooks: Povetkin
Combinations: Povetkin
Right hand: Wladmir
Ring IQ: Wladmir
Stamina: Povetkin
Physical Strength: Wladmir
Heart: Povetkin
Experience: Wladmir

11-6 advantage Wladmir.

I dare you to make a poll with these categories and see if even one person in this board gives more of them to Povetkin.



Of course Wladmir's method for beating Povetkin is disputable, but it's factual that he won. It's also factual he was a 2x champion and Povetkin was a loser at the end of the day. It's factual Wladmir beat better opponents, more ranked contenders, and is better overall than Povetkin..

 

Thats a stupid top trumps method of evaluating boxers. Vlad had every attribute and most advantages in his favour when he fought Fury.
But tell me how you came to the conclusion above ^^ ?

 

I came to this conclusion because Wladmir was very intelligent in the ring, played to his strengths, kept the vast majority of opponents at his preferred long range with his jab and range control, knew how to win rounds and was difficult to outbox, and rarely made poor decisions or had moments of poor judgement at his best.

You may disagree, but I answered your question.

Now, back to what I said before:

11-6 advantage Wladmir.

I dare you to make a poll with these categories and see if even one person in this board gives more of them to Povetkin.

 

I don't want you to tell me. You already told me. How about show me? He has almost 70 fights to use as reference.
Give me examples that best highlight his Ring IQ?

 

It truly amazes me there are people claiming Lennox Lewis was a dirty fighter. Those same people attacked me for calling the dirtiest player in the game Andre Ward the dirtiest. There isn't a foul he didn't use constantly, Head butting like a Billy Goat, Low Blows thrown constantly. It looked like he was trying to neuter poor Sergy Kovalev.
That's why Dre almost excusively fought at home in Oakland even though he couldn't sell out his hometown arena. Toss up between Ward & Floyd which of them was the best cure for insomnia lol

 

It was a beautiful performance that I rewatch often. Povetkin was the most dangerous opponent out there at the time. A complete deconstruction that put Alex in decline.

 

Don't answer my question with yet another question.

Either address what I said or find something else to do. I don't know who you think you're talking to. It's very rude to constantly ask questions while refusing to respond to what someone said.

 

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Not especially dirty, but he had his tricks like most fighters. He liked to hold the back of the guy’s neck with his left hand and hit them with the right uppercut. Sometimes he was quick and sneaky with it, other times more obvious. He hit Acey with a 3 piece when he was down, hit Jackson when he was down and after the bell.

 

Holding the back of the head AND uppercutting at the same time is obviously very dangerous. I’ve always been surprised that refs don’t deal more harshly with same.

With the advent of YouTube and seeing more of his fights, it was revelation to me that Earnie’s was not only guilty of the same practice but also how often he was guilty of it.

Imo, Earnie’s celebrated KO of Ellis was supplemented by an out and out foul. For another example (and there are a few) Earnie dropped Bugner using the same tactic.

In fact, Earnie first held down the back of Joe’s head with his right and hit him low with the left. Earnie then seamlessly switched hands, holding with the left to rip the right uppercut through, putting Joe down but not out.