Chris Byrd's IBF reign vs. Deontay Wilder's WBC run. Which one was better?

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  1. themostoverrated

    themostoverrated Active Member Full Member

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    Chris Byrd's IBF reign from 2002 to 2006:

    * Beat Evander 'the real deal' Holyfield by unanimous decision to win the title. Holyfield was clearly past it but was coming from a win against Hasim Rahman and a prior controversial draw against John Ruiz which he arguably deserved to win.

    * Beat Fres Oquendo to retain the title by unanimous decision. A very scrappy win.

    * Drew Andrew Golota. Split decision draw in one of the best heavyweight fights of this century.

    * Beat Jameel McCline by split decision. I thought Byrd fared better in this fight than against Oquendo.

    * Beat DaVarryl Williamson by unanimous decision. Fringe contender.

    * Lost to Wladimir Klitschko by a 7th round technical knockout. This would begin Klitschko's epic title run. Byrd's decline had clearly begun.

    Deontay Wilder's WBC title run from 2015 to 2020:

    * Beat Bermane Stiverne by unanimous decision. Stivene will go down as one of the weakest alphabet champions in history.

    * Beat Eric Molina by 9th round KO. Fringe contender, in my opinion.

    * Beat Johann Duhaupas by 11th round TKO. Fringe contender, in everybody's opinion.

    * Beat Arthur Szpilka by 9th round KO. Fringe contender, again in my opinion.

    * Beat Chris Arreola who retired in the eighth round. A boxer who can best be described as a B level fighter.

    * Beat Gerald Washington by 5th round TKO. Yet another fringe contender.

    * Beat Bermane Stiverne by 1st round KO. Washed up version of a very weak champion.

    * Beat Luis Ortiz by tenth round TKO. Ortiz gave serious trouble to Wilder before the American found the bull's eye. Ortiz was Wilder's best challenger yet, and that speaks volumes about this title run.

    * Drew Tyson Fury by a split decision. Good struggle in his first clash against an elite opponent where Wilder managed to score two knockouts but Fury took more rounds. Clearly, a very lucky decision for the American.

    * Beat Dominic Breazeale by 1st round knockout. Yet another fringe cringe opponent.

    * Beat Luis Ortiz by 7th round KO. A more declined version of Ortiz.

    * Lost to Tyson Fury by a 7th round technical knockout. Beginning of the fall for Wilder.

    The two greatest American heavyweights of the 21st century had a nearly identical end to their title runs - 7th round technical knockout defeats to giant sized elite out-fighters.

    So, who among the two guys had a better title run? Wilder had more defenses, but the quality of his resume resembles items bought from a local Chinese flea market. However, he demolished most of his opponents in style. Byrd struggled more against the select few whom he fought, but his opponents would rank higher in terms of respect in boxing fan's minds.

    Note: I have not included Byrd's WBO title run which saw him fight the Klitschko brothers. This post is only about his IBF title run.
     
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  2. Rollin

    Rollin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Byrd lost the IBF title to a declining, post-accident Golota as far as I'm concerned.
     
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  3. Smokin Bert

    Smokin Bert Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Two terrible reigns. They both demonstrate how underwhelming title defenses can be when the title is fractured. Neither man was ever the best in their division.
     
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  4. ikrasevic

    ikrasevic Our pope is the Holy Spirit Full Member

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    When you say "reign" it only means defending the title. So drop the name Evander Holyfield because it changes the whole picture. You might as well drop the Stiverne name.
    When you look at it that way, Wilder's reign is better, because it is longer, both compared boxers have one controversial draw, but Wilder's "draw name" is better.
    So Byrd's reign is:
    Beat Fres Oquendo
    Drew Andrew Golota
    Beat Jameel McCline
    Beat DaVarryl Williamson
    IMHO Wilder's reign is slightly better, although:
     
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  5. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If you’re going to put this out there @themostoverrated don’t try to stack the deck with your assessment of opponents. Ortiz was a very good fighter who everyone had avoided and Wilder stopped him twice.

    Golota very arguably deserved a win yet if you really look at what he was by this point, he fits ‘fringe contender’ by the same measures you’d use on Wilder’s opponents — lost his meaningful fights before Byrd and after. Oquendo was a complete joke.

    I’d go with Wilder.
     
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  6. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Wilder's was a far superior reign. 10 successful title defenses. 9 by knockout. (Compared to Byrd's four successful defenses, no knockouts, all the decisions controversial.)

    Wilder broke his right hand against Stiverne, still won. Wilder broke his hand and tore his bicep against Arreola, still won. Contrary to your descriptions above, his challengers weren't all fringe contenders. Stiverne was the #1 contender. Breazeale was a mandatory contender. Fury was the #1 contender and mandatory. Ortiz was top three both times.

    Against Byrd, Evander Holyfield suffered a torn rotator cuff above his left arm in the second round (I believe). Same injury Vitali suffered, just at the start of the fight this time. Holyfield needed surgery to repair it. Fought 11 rounds with one hand (the right). Landed three left jabs the whole fight (and Evander worked everything off his jab.)
    https://www.espn.com/boxing/news/2002/1218/1479329.html

    Wilder never went the distance with anyone handicapped with one hand. On the contrary, Wilder tended to be the one with the broken hand.

    I thought Fres Oquendo beat Byrd. So did the HBO announcers. So did most everyone.
    https://www.espn.com/boxing/columns/kellerman_max/1626337.html

    Andrew Golota was a late sub. (Rated #15 by the IBF going in.) I thought Andrew Golota beat Byrd, so did most.

    Jameel McCline floored Byrd and was way ahead, arguably won.
    https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/sport/archives/2004/11/15/2003211217

    The Williamson fight was arguably the worst heavyweight title fight in history. Both boxers were booed for the better part of an hour.


    You may respect Oquendo, Golota, McCline and Williamson more, but, head to head, Wilder's 'bad' opponents essentially dominated Byrd's opponents.

    Fury beat Wlad.
    Arreola destroyed McCline (who was Byrd's only successful mandatory defense). Szpilka beat McCline. Hell, Sconiers beat McCline.
    Molina stopped Williamson.

    No matter how you slice it, Wilder had a far superior reign. Byrd's reign should've ended in his first defense against Oquendo. And, again, with his second defense against late sub, #15 rated Golota (who, in his last two 'name' fights, quit against Grant and quit against Mike Tyson). And, again, when he was floored and needed a bit of luck to get a split decision against McCline.
     
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  7. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Holyfield had a torn rotator cuff after one round.
    McCline got beat by Arreola, Spzilka and Sconiers.
    Williamson got stopped by Molina.

    Even Fury, who Wilder floored twice and successfully defended against, beat Wlad, who demolished Byrd.

    Golota was rated #15 and a late sub. He arguably outboxed Byrd. Oquendo did win. Got robbed.

    That isn't much of a reign. You could argue Byrd lost all his title defenses.
     
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  8. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    You're clearly objective.
     
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  9. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Wilder by a distance.
     
  10. themostoverrated

    themostoverrated Active Member Full Member

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    If you read my assessment, I did give some credit to Ortiz. I would want to know what makes Ortiz 'a very good fighter'. What was Ortiz's best win before the Wilder fight? Or after it for that matter?
     
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  11. mr. magoo

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    I’m going to say wilder. While his opposition wasn’t really any better, he at least racked up more defenses and won all those fights decisively. And Luis Ortiz was viewed as a legitimately dangerous challenger at least the first time they met.
     
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  12. themostoverrated

    themostoverrated Active Member Full Member

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    You made very good points until you came up with these five lines. While evaluating opponents, you simply fail to see the stages of the careers the boxers were in when they lost their fights. Yes, McCline lost to Szpilka and Arreola. But McCline was clearly washed up by this point. He was 42 and 39 years old respectively in those fights. It is the same with Williamson. He was fighting the last fight of his career (and I even called him a fringe contender because that is what he is). Can we hold these late career losses against fighters? Is it fair to point out Mike Tyson's losses against Danny Wiliams and Kevin McBride and say, look Tyson got destroyed by those guys. You could argue by other means that McCline and Williamson were not as good as Arreola and Szpilka but head-to-head is a bad way of advancing your points.

    With regards to Fury, he is easily the greatest name on the list. But Fury clearly outpointed Wilder in that fight, it was a robbery draw. You could argue the same with the Golota-Byrd fight, but that brawl was closer than the one between Fury and Wilder. Of course, Golota isn't as good a fighter as Fury, so Wilder's job was harder, I am not disputing that.

    One last thing with mandatories and rankings - those are subjective and biased outputs of corrupt sanctioning bodies which I usually take with a grain of salt. For example, WBA has Lenier Pero at #6 (he was #4 not very long ago). If Usyk fights Pero today, will the boxing world appreciate it?
     
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  13. Ice8Cold

    Ice8Cold Still raging that we didnt see Bowe V Lewis Full Member

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    Wilder in his prime would have knocked Byrd out early.
     
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  14. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    In his prime probably, but Byrd would've tied up Wilder of last fight in knots.
     
  15. Claude

    Claude Member Full Member

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    The man went 9 with Artur Szpilka. He’s not doing anything to Byrd.