Better win: Fury-Klitschko or Joshua-Klitschko

Without doubt, Fury's win was more impressive. Both losses happened when Klitschko was way past his best, but his last loss counts little.

 

Main question for me is which Klitschko was more motivated, more focused and with more to prove but nothing to lose - logic says the AJ version. Then again he was 18 months older… refreshed maybe? Or just older? A Fury rematch would’ve told us so much more.

 

Klitschko at 41 because he was like more dangerous, like his prime before to be a boring heavyweight.

The version of Klitschko who lost against Fury was at the end of the reign, but the Klitschko who was back at 41 was here for the history and take a lot of risks for change the fight, where the Klitschko at 39 do nothing for change the result of the match because he was psychologically lost against Fury before and during the fight.

 

Poll really needs a third option... "Probably about the same"

 

"The defacto undisputed champ"
Klitschko was never undisputed

 

Both were very good wins but beating the champion have to be the better one

 

I think Wlad was better mentally for the AJ fight and AJ did overcome a huge KD tobwin that fightvso he deserves a lot of credit. And it was a great fight, Wlad finally let his hands go.

Fury's win is underrated. His awkward movement and possibly the pre fight antics made Wlad gun shy. He couldnt get the jab going and got outboxed in Germany. Even if it was a **** fight when had Wlad ever lost on points? Especially in Germany. I dont buy the he got old overnight story either. Fury's size and movement clearly bothered him and made for a difficult fight.

Thats why its so unfortunate we didnt get a more risk taking Wlad that fought AJ in a second fight with Fury in Manchester. I really wanted to see how both guys would do in that situation. Wlad deserved it for his long reign as well. Sadly Fury didnt have enough believe in himself to not duck Klitschko.

 

Why?
It's not the same though is it?

Of course Ajs fight was way more exciting, but beating a super champion in his own turf (essentially) with nobody giving him a chance was a much bigger win than Joshua, that many had him favourite or at least 50/50

I know it's Fury, everyone hates him, but his win was the bigger in context and it's not a debate. Anyone without an agenda will say the same

 

If there are arguments that support both extremes and it's a balance of probabilities... Then it's possible that, on balance, neither side clearly takes it.

That doesn't mean they're exactly the same (aka "the same"), but it does make "probably about the same" a valid option.

On a polling/statistical nitpick, it should be an option.

AJ's fight was more aggressive on both sides, and Wlad had the power and technique (even at that age) to knock out pretty much anyone... In terms of mental preparedness and taking it seriously, AJ fought the better Wlad.

Then again, Fury fought a younger Wlad who was fitter but capable of being more prepared than he was...

The fact that less people gave Fury a chance doesn't make much difference one way or the other (besides potentially influencing how seriously Wlad took his preparations) - how much of a shock each victory was doesn't change which version of Wlad was better, which is the yardstick for which was the better win.

Fury fought a Wlad that was in better shape physically, Joshua fought a Wlad that was better mentally.
How do you want to balance the two out?
That's down to your personal judgement...

Me, I value the two about the same. I'm happy enough playing devil's advocate for either of them if they're getting treated as unequal in a given discussion.

I know it's Fury, and you're very much a Fury fan, but I'm not interested in which was the bigger shock or which changed the division more...
Nor do I judge the individual wins on the fact Fury ducked the rematch and Joshua didn't (Wlad chose not to take it) - it's relevant to some discussions, but in terms of which is the better win they're both 1-0 with him.

With respect, I think you have an agenda of your own which makes you unable to see any disagreement as anything other than the product of an opposing agenda... I don't have one.

 

No one really believes AJ beat a better Wlad.

A better fight yes, but a better fighter no.

 

Nothing to do with being a fury fan, which I'm not, really but I respect his ability and pick him to win fights

I'm no more of a fan, than you are a hater?

Anyway it's your opinion, you are entitled to it
Also this BS about Wlad not being motivated is rubbish

Fury made an absolute fool out of him in the entire build up. He was motivated, he just wasn't good enough

 

With respect, you consistently favour and defend him - if you're not a fan, you post awfully like one (far from MinIQ, though, granted!).

I'm not a hater, I bag on plenty of fighters that I think others overrate - doesn't mean I don't like or don't rate them, I just don't rate them as much as prevailing narratives suggest I should.

Wlad had plenty else going on, and Fury wasn't rated as a serious threat - in context, I'd be more surprised if Wlad was fully motivated and fully prepared.

Again - it doesn't mean it's not a good win (awful to watch though it was), it's just part of the context around it which comes into play when analysing.

 

I argue with an idiot that bashes him 24/7 which I would do with any fighter

Honestly I call him out on a lot of Bs. I pick him to win fights, but I honestly Don't care if he does

Just because I think he beats Usyk and Aj doesn't make me a fan

I think man City will win the league, I certainly don't support them

 

@BubblesUK just to add I was a fan big time before the chisora fight and the Ngannou nonsense

I admit to being a fan of him in the ring, but he's an absolute c..t outside

Anyway I have no gripe with you and respect your opinion regarding this topic. We don't Need to agree, that's the beauty