Olympic Champions who fail to make the cut at Professional Level

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  1. DoubleG95Fanatic

    DoubleG95Fanatic Boxing Addict Full Member

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    When we go through the list of bronze-silver-gold medalists over the last 4-5 Olympics, why is it some go on to be world champions as a professional yet some give it up or fail to get signed up?

    For example I'm talking of guys like Arlen Lopez who beat Ben Whittaker in the finals, where is he?
    We all know about Mario Kindelan, why couldn't he adjust to the pro game after being one of the most highly decorated amateurs ever.
    Tony Yoka made it but has deteriorated spectacularly compared to the guy who he beat in the finals.
    Roberto Cammarelle who beat both Yoka and Hrgovic, probably robbed of Gold at 2012 too.
    Then we look at guys like Savon, Torodov, Barthelemy.....a lot of cubans tbh, what's the deal?
     
  2. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    What's the deal with Bakhodir Jalolov?

    He turned pro in 2018 (six years ago).

    Then he went back to the Olympics and won gold in 2020 (really 2021).

    Came back to the pros.

    Now, apparently, he's going back to the Olympics. He'll be favored to win the gold again in 2024.

    BUT ... and it's a big BUT ... he may have two Olympic Gold medals and he has yet (after SIX YEARS) to crack any alphabet org's top 10.

    If he enters his SEVENTH years as a pro and he still isn't even a top 10 contender, he may end up being the biggest BUST of them all.
     
  3. DirtyDan

    DirtyDan Worst Poster of 2015 Full Member

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    This is how I look at it, I know I'm missing loads, this is just from the top of my head.

    S tier- Muhammad Ali, Michael Spinks, Pernell Whitaker, Ray Leonard
    A tier- Lennox Lewis, Usyk, Oscar De La Hoya, Wladimir Klitschko (honorable mention) Roy Jones Jr.
    B tier- George Foreman, Joe Fraizer, Andre Ward, Nino Benvenuti
    C tier- Vasyl Lomachenko, Rigo, Anthony Joshua, Meldrick Taylor, Floyd Patterson
    C- Tier- Vassiliy Jirov, Henry Maske, Mark Breland, Yuriorkis Gamboa,
    Joel Casamayor
    D+ tier- Ryoto Murata, Patrizio Oliva, Leon Spinks, David Reid, Ray Mercer, Alexander Povetkin,
    D tier- Zou Shiming, Luke Campbell, Tyrell Biggs, Felix Diaz, Steve McCrory, Howard Davis Jr, Odlanier Solis, Audley Harrison
    F tier- Pete Rademacher, Jorge Gutierrez
     
  4. Decker

    Decker Boxing Addict Full Member

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    A few comments. Lots of top names off the top of your head. Too many tiers/ grades.
    I agree w/some fighters placement (for example A Harrison), others are head scratchers. How can you have Mercer and Pov so low, Loma only C?? Some of the fighters in the top 3 tiers are close in pro accomplishments - could be raised or dropped one tier.
     
  5. DirtyDan

    DirtyDan Worst Poster of 2015 Full Member

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    Lol it was a post of mine I copied and pasted from the classic, a couple of those names could be moved around, it’s completely subjective. I based more on accomplishments/historic achievements first and foremost then resume and losses in their prime. Mercer and Pov although having competed at the highest level with some quality wins never had won a legit title. The WBO was the equivalent of the IBO in Mercers day and Pov just held the regular version of the WBA belt. It’s hard to rate fighters who never won a legitimate world title and lost most of their biggest fights.

    Lomas career is still ongoing, he can move up a rank or two if he had a signature win or had the Haney result go his way. If he won a belt at 140 that would be seen as a huge accomplishment and shoot him up the rankings. But if he retired right now I don’t see his career as anything special.
     
  6. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think everyone you listed, with the exception of Jorge Gutierrez and Audley, was ranked and/or fought for the title in faster time than Jalolov currently is after six years as a pro.

    It did take Audley 10 years to get a title shot.

    Jalolov still hasn't cracked any of the four alphabet org's top 10 lists yet ... six years into his pro career. And he's only expected to fight once this year, as he's concentrating on the Olympics again.

    So no top 10 rating and certainly no title shots this year or likely next. He turns 30 in July.

    Seems to be going nowhere as a pro. Most of the guys above were ranked in someone's top 10 and were in the title picture within a handful of years, even if they have a D rating or an F, as in Rademacher's case.
     
  7. The Cryptkeeper

    The Cryptkeeper Well-Known Member Full Member

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    How are Foreman and Frazier B tier? They are better and achieved as much or more and have a greater place in the history of the sport than anybody in the A tier and almost all of the S tier...especially Foreman.
     
  8. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    Robeisy Ramirez won two gold medals and has been rather underwhelming.
     
  9. Pepsi Dioxide

    Pepsi Dioxide Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think of him like He's an amateur boxer who has a side hobby of pro boxing occasionally.

    Kind of like a guy who works in an office but a couple of times a year he will play in a poker tournament. Hes an office worker not a professional poker player.
     
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  10. Pepsi Dioxide

    Pepsi Dioxide Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Or better yet for an analogy, he's a guy who's in his senior year of college who would rather go to high school parties than to a bar, though he goes to a bar occasionally when he can't find a high school party.
     
  11. The Cryptkeeper

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    So a loser then.

    Steve Stiffler?
     
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  12. BubblesUK

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    Plenty that just never really go for it, too.

    Likes of Zhang who is over 40 and only fought overrated Joyce and very unproven Hrgovic (who similar could be sad about).

    Jalolov ****ing around going back into amateurs when he could and should be trying to make his mark on the pro's.

    Heck even Wilder - bronze medal, but waited until he lost to a cherrypick before fighting known contenders.

    I wonder sometimes if former Olympians assume they should have way more credit in the bank to skip the queue than they actually do.
     
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  13. destruction

    destruction Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    There is more money in it for him in being an amateur Olympic gold medal winner, than being a professional Uzbek boxer.

    As that is the case he continues to focus more on his Olympic amateur boxing than professional boxing.

    That is very different to the topic of this thread where you have an amateur turning over who doesn’t make it as a professional as he isn’t suited to it or turned over too late.
     
  14. humbug

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    No Deontay Wilder? Lennox Lewis not in the S tier? Michael Spinks not in the A tier?

    Where's the 'blow me' function on this forum?
     
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  15. DoubleG95Fanatic

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    At least he's gone on to win a world title and headline a show, he lost in a close fight but he has time to come back and make another go of it. Wouldn't say he's done any worst than a Michael Hunter for example.