One fighter from the past to punish Tyson Fury?

What makes you think Foreman is physically strong enough to push him off. Isn't George likely to be the one getting shoved around and manhandled given he's by far the smaller man here? I doubt he could do a damn thing about Fury's clinching. Ali was able to clinch whenever he felt like it and Foreman couldn't do anything about it.

 

The Holmes who beat Shavers II foils most of Fury's cute moves with a higher ring IQ and nasty jab.
Holmes gets shaken in the middle rounds but for most of the fight he is control, Fury isn't having much luck landing flush and he just isn't enough of a puncher to really bother Larry or make him back up much.
The overhand, which at first is mostly kind of pesky, starts accumulating landings on Fury's big head. It gradually becomes more of a factor as the fight goes on, Fury clowning around with it until around the 8th. Tyson's left eye is getting grotesquely injured and swollen, and it's all uphill for Fury. By the 12th Fury is half blind and getting hit with the overhand at will. After landing two particularly ugly rights Holmes waits while the ref sends Fury to the doctor. Doctor gives a cautious go-ahead, Holmes lands a marvellous, sweat-slinging right and the fight is stopped with Fury complaining.

 

A lot of replies are people "whistling past the graveyard." They react this way whenever a new fighter is seen as a threat to their memories of the past fighters. The truth is that none of the old fighters ever faced anything like the 6-9, 275 pound Fury who moves like a small fighter. The old fighters never faced anything like Ngannou either, a 6-4, 275 man with little/no body fat who has boxed and done combat sports for many years. He didn't have "official" boxing matches, but he sparred with good boxers and his strength, toughness, stamina, and power would be too much for most fighters of the past and today.

A lot of people who post here don't realize that 1974 Foreman was 6-3, 217, and looked huge because he was bigger than his opponents. They don't consider that today guys make 200 pounds one day for about 1 minute then re-hydrate to Foreman's size or bigger before they enter the ring as Cruiserweights. They see things through rose colored glasses, pushing a fat, uninterested, untrained Joe Frazier and pushing 275 pound Tyson Fury are two different things. I've even seen some of them fantasizing that GF could push and physically dominate Ngannou...that is the height of looking at the past through rose colored glasses...

 

It’s not looking through rose colored glasses, it’s believing that size and “modern and more developed physical tools” aren’t everything and that true greatness will rise to the top across eras.

You sound like the people who think Ted Williams wouldn’t still be an elite hitter in 2024 and never faced a pitcher who threw over 80 mph.

I wouldn’t go completely out on that limb for Foreman or Frazier but I think peak Muhammad Ali would beat Tyson Fury without question 100 out of 100 times.

 

Lennox would be up for the task

 

Jack “ The Giant Killer” Dempsey

 

Agreed

 

I'm thinking Naoya Inoue is the perfect man to send in to punish Artur Beterbiev. What say you?

 

Yep, that would get very ugly, very quickly for Fury.

Feels like a Gerry Cooney job for Foreman. Fury gets badly concussed in this one.

 

Yes

 

Lots of boxers beat Tyson in my book.

Ali, Joe Louis slap him silly.
Holmes and Lennox take him out in a methodical way.
Foreman, Liston just blast Fury's body to bits.

 

Liston, Ali, Lewis, etc. all the usual suspects to beat Fury...

Therefore, I am going to throw some kinda black horses into the ring, 2nd -3rd tier fighters who IMO have a decent chance to beat Fury.

-Ernie Shavers: Simply put, he is a big slugger with brutal punching power and slow motion Fury wil be very hard to miss.

-David Tua: Strong chin and strong punch. A very bad combination for Fury.

-Andrew Golota: sure the guy was an erratic nutcase, but he showed some real talent and toughness here and there, thus I think a focused engaged Golota who avoid a DQ takes Fury down.

-Ringo Bonavena: call me crazy but the man who gave Ali fits sure can be bad news for Fury. Ringo is tough and durable, is not afraid of a brawl and carries a decent punch. His akward style is not going to be easy for Fury to deal with.

 

Given how oddly vulnerable Fury looks in so many fights across multiple years against multiple opponents (decked by the small moderately skilled Cunningham, needed a gift against McDermott, was lucky to not be stopped on cuts against Wallin, bounced off the canvas and went life and death with the sloppy but hard hitting Wilder in 2 different fights, was lucky as hell to get the nod against Francis after getting decked and bruised up, etc)--I am now not even certain Fury beats the best contenders of his own circus clown of an era.


-Usyk is arguably a 50/50 fight, maybe even slightly in Usyk's favor. Fury's legs and lateral movement aren't what they used to be, and he gets cut and marked up so easily nowadays. I think Usyk's workrate and fidgety style could frustrate Fury and give him the edge on the scorecards. The question will be if the ref allows constant leaning and clinching. If that's taken away with a stern ref, Fury will need to either cleanly outbox or KO Usyk and I'm not sure he can.

-I am now starting to favor Joshua slightly. He still hits very hard, is a good body puncher (he can't possibly miss that enormous gut), and can throw combinations upstairs and downstairs. He's strong enough to push Fury back and punish him for initiating clinches. The biggest factor for me is the jab: If Joshua can outjab Fury, I would daresay he wins with relative ease.

-Andy Ruiz's nonstop pressure, fast hands, strong combinations, and granite chin could make Fury very uncomfortable and secure a win for the Mexican. The question is if Ruiz's hunger for victory can surpass his hunger for buffet items.

-Parker: Even before his recent win, I Always felt Parker had the style and tools to keep Fury honest. Now I'm honestly not sure Fury wins at all. Fury is not knocking him out in a million years. Parker is faster and more technically sound, so Fury isn't going to be able to stick and move or win by fighting on the outside. Parker has become fairly adaptable able to fight at any range and can switch between being a cautious counter puncher to being aggressive. I really don't think Fury wins at all at this point.

 

Firstly i'll call you out on a blatant lie, one of course that errs to the side of diminishing Foreman - surprise!!!!!!!

1974 Foreman had two fights and was 224 3/4 and 220 pounds. In the context of your criticisms 7 3/4 pounds and 3 pounds are quite important and it also shows you are extremely biased on the subject matter and seasoned posters would full well know that.

Now here's your chance to shine.

You claim todays guys make 200 pounds then rehydrate to (let's go with your fib as that's the weight you set) 217 and above by the time they enter the ring.

Now the way you state it pretty much all these cruisers rehydrate to 217 and more so it should be ridiculously easy for you to throw forward multiple examples of said cruiserweights entering the ring at 217 and above.

This should be good as Usyk's weight 11 months after he left cruiserweight was 215 for his first heavyweight fight. In his second fight at heavyweight, virtually 2 years after last fighting at cruiserweight was 217 1/2.

Hardly inspires confidence to your claim does it and to boot this is the guy actually going great guns in the open division.

 

Agreed JT.

Usyk's fight night weight vs Mike Hunter was 207lbs. Hunter's fight night weight was under 200lbs

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Haye was another who was noticeably big at CW. He dwarfed Mormeck and whilst shorter than Macrinelli, much was made of his natural size and in the ring weight advantage. He was massively thicker set and more muscular than Enzo. Haye was 215lbs vs Barrett after moving up to HW and a period of bulking up, later settling to 210lbs vs Harrison and Wlad after realising the extra bulk was counterproductive.

There probably will be the odd CW who is over 215lbs on fight night, id guess Oklie is, but they would very much be the exception, rather than the rule.