JOE LOUIS VS USYK

Louis would kill Usyk.

 

Those two weren’t a tough night for Louis - I remember the knockdown and then it was a resumed beating. But it’s been a while.

 

Not really.

If a 185 lb Cooper can drop Ali, then Ali can’t beat. Liston and Foreman.

 

This is the same guy that says Ali was legitimately dropped by Wepner and "clearly hurt". Are you surprised?

 

I don't see how Usyk's amateur struggles are in any way comparable to Louis at his peak losing to Schmelling and getting dropped by Braddock, Galento, etc. Louis was in his prime for these fights so they are obviously relevant to h2h fights.

The 2010/11 Usyk is not the version we are using in fantasy fights

 

You're a troll and a half. In a single paragraph you vote to cast off Usyk's amateur struggles while calling the version of Louis that lost to Schmeling "peak" Louis. Disingenuity at it's finest. Go and study up on some boxing history 101.

 

Louis had a short though successful amateur career. He was learning on the job as a pro.

unlike Usyk who had 200 plus amateur fights to learn and develop. Louis was hardly peak vs Schmeling. He was a dynamic young fighter who still needed 2-3 years to reach his prime.

if we can give young Usyk a pass because he was an amateur, we can do the same thing for Louis since he was a young pro without extensive amateur experience- I.e someone who was still learning.

and Louis did not struggle vs Braddock. He got knocked down and dominated the rest of the fight.

I give Usyk a 50-50 chance of winning this fight. I just don’t like the reasoning. And this isn’t going to be an easy fight for Usyk even if he wins.

 

Yeah, Usyk’s AM career spanned a whole 7 years, from age 19 to age 26 while Louis’ AM career only ran from age 19 to 20 before Joe turned pro.

Putting aside artificial and unjustified rationale for precluding due analysis of Usyk in kind, here’s a pretty good vid detailing the times Usyk has been KD’d or hurt - including shots to the body being the cause: -

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Louis was widely considered the best heavyweight in the world going into the Schmelling fight and had annihilated Carnera and Baer the prior year in some of the finest performances of his career. Louis said the Baer fight was the best of his career and its certainly up there with his best results. Going into the fight he was brutally destroying top level fighters. How is that comparable to an Usyk who had never had a pro fight? He was also a massive favorite going into the fight and expected to win decisively.

 

If Usyk turned pro and immediately beat Alexander Povetkin, Anthony Joshua, Deontay Wilder, and Luis Ortiz all in the space of a year without losing a single round and dominating every fight people wouldn't cut him slack for subsequently losing even if it was early in his pro career. Let's be serious.

 

A very competitive fight. Both have traits that exploit the other's weaknesses. I would begrudgingly lean toward Usyk as Louis struggled with boxers who were nowhere near Usyk's level when considering his size.

 

True. But being the best in the world doesn’t mean he wasn’t learning and didn’t have room for improvement. He had a technical weakness ( dropping his left hand after throwing it) that Schmeling exploited.

that is why he won the rematch. Louis if 1938 was miles better than 1936. Just because he had marvellous performances before doesn’t mean he was a 100 percent finished product.

 

Usyk is a much better boxer at 210pounds + than anyone Louis ever faced at that weight. And bigger and stronger than most of his opponents. I think Louis is top 10 HW but quickness, strength, size and ring IQ win Usyk a UD. Jersey Joe outboxed Louis, so did Conn ( for 12 rounds). Usyk would as well.

 

A knockdown is a tough night, and the point is, if Braddock can put him down, what is super-southpaw Usyk going to do?