JOE LOUIS VS USYK

Who has Usyk fought who is not two tiers down from Louis? It’s what follows the knockdown that’s important.

 

I wish I could find it but I remember @George Crowcroft saying something to the affect of "You can't judge a fighter solely on their lows because if that truly was an accurate summary then their career highs wouldn't have happened in the first place"

I think that quote I probably just butchered applies here. I feel like it wouldn't be hard to put out a lowlight in Usyk's career and be like "oh IMAGINE what would've happened if that was Louis instead of Briedis?" but that would be childish and not a good argument. We use the best version of the fighters. I think I would probably favor Usyk to win but I don't agree with this logic of "If Braddock dropped him then Usyk will dumpster him"

 

I wonder how I missed Usyk becoming the undisputed HW GOAT who would take Louis down so easily...

Let's get real. I mean, peak Usyk has maybe a 30% chance vs Louis and that's it.

 

Is it?
This wasn't some Marciano-Walcott lucky punch after getting his butt handed to him for the duration of the fight.
Louis out-boxed the much more experienced Braddock for every round barring the first (which he was also winning prior to the knockdown) and then masterfully took him out by punching Braddock's guarding left out of the way and driving a right cross with all his bodyweight behind him into Jimmy's face.
Jimmy weighed 197 lbs for that fight and he looked in pretty good shape too, no slouch in boxing skills either considering his victories over Tommy Farr and Henry Lewis.

For your argument you are using a fight in which Louis was dominant for 90% of it and his opponent had to be scooped off the canvas by four men after Louis was through with him. I think it might be the wrong example to use.

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No it isn’t since it was a flash knockdown.

Usyk rarely goes after anyone early. Louis has extremely quick hands. I have seen a majority of Usyks cruiserweight fights and all of his heavyweight fights. Usyk has never faced anyone who has the combination of handspeed and power Louis had. Never. If Usyk tried going after Louis, he would meet someone who could beat him to the punch with quicker hands.

Usyk May well win a decision. But if he goes after Louis aggressively he will walk right into a 6 punch combo that is so fast, it will be unlike anything he has experienced. Unless you are a Tyson or Foreman, trying to attack Louis head on is foolish. It is doubtful Usyk would even attempt hard left hands early. And Louis carried his power for 15 rounds so Usyk wouldn’t want to attack him later either.

 

Could not agree harder on Louis’ footwork.

 

A flash knockdown is a knockdown, and Usyk doesn't have to attack him head on, because he is a master at using angles. Have you seen his uppercut? He throws it in a way I've never seen before.

As for Louis' speed, whereas he has fast hands, he could be very ponderous of foot, unlike the Cat. Usyk wins the battle of angles, and again, Louis admitted he didn't know what to do with a southpaw.

 

I would hope he would be dominant against a feather-fisted LHW journeyman. The disturbing part is that he got knocked down, explain it however you will.

 

Breidis a good fighter, and with the 200 pound limit and rehydration, dwarfs Conn, Braddock, Schmeling and Galento in size. You make my point for me.

 

Again, a certain amount of evolution has gone on. They are two-tiers down for from what Louis represented him his era. But no, he would not step into 2024 and be a dominant fighter.

 

The Braddock KD was a flash KD and clearly the result of Louis being off balance.

How many times do those obvious facts have to be stated, described and visually highlighted before certain people desist from relying on their argument’s blatantly contrived, “false positive”?

 

The majority of that is irrelevant if one is properly versed in history. Louis problems are well documented and i'm not just talking technical. It's been posted about umpteen times in here.

You claiming him to be peak is flat out wrong.

 

Evolution is an easily thrown around term without any meat.

Please describe the actual evolvements that you believe have left Louis so far behind.

 

Yes Usyk being a south paw gives him a good shot of winning. I am not denying it. But the idea that Usyk is so slick that he can land uppercuts without getting caught is silly.

no matter how good his angles are, he isn’t unhittable. Louis being slow on his feet is irrelevant at close range since his faster hands will beat Usyk to the punch. Usyk May well win a decision but the idea that he wouldn’t have to survive some amazing combos to do so is silly.

 

You're using strange words to describe the lineal champ who took the crown off a prime Max Baer and held wins over John Henry Lewis, Art Lasky and Tommy Farr.
That "Journeyman" weighed a solid 197 lbs and was 6"2½ with an indestructible mandible. He was the same size as a cruiserweight Usyk, and to reiterate, Louis dominated him for the majority of the fight.