Controvertial decisions that would have changed history the most, if they had gone the other way?

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  1. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    The rules are simple.

    You can reverse any controversial decision.

    The decision that you are putting in it's place must be within reason.

    You can't have Cobb UD Holmes for example.

    Name some that could have been real game changers.

    Whatever number of them is convenient for you.
     
  2. Greg Price99

    Greg Price99 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I suspect my HW all time rankings would be different if Mercer had gotten the nod against Lewis.

    I scored for Lewis and the fight was close enough for the decision to be debatable, rather than controversial.

    Ali vs Norton III is another obvious example, where the decision is genuinely controversial.
     
  3. Flo_Raiden

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    Jose Luis Castillo getting the nod against Floyd Mayweather in their first fight. Imagine what the mentality from Floyd would be like had he actually lost the fight, and then perhaps avenged that loss in the rematch. His attitude would be vastly different and then obsession over staying undefeated would have died down. More fighters would be taking more risks and it would also help the sport more especially given how most fights that people want to see don't happen right away because a lot of fighters nowadays who are afraid to lose. Boxing fans would be so much more different and less fixated on the 0.

    Also add Andre Ward losing to Kovalev in the first fight, Canelo losing to GGG in the first fight, and Devin Haney losing to Lomachenko. History would be really different had Kovalev, GGG, and Lomachenko got the decision in those fights.
     
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  4. janitor

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    Mickey Walker getting the decision over Jack Sharkey could have really put the cat among the pigeons.

    In this scenario Sharkey probably doesn't challenge Schmeling for the title, and end up winning it by controversial decision.

    This could send things in a very different direction for a few years.

    Come to think of it there have been a few draws, where a decisive result one way or the other, could have taken things in a very different direction.

    Eubank Benn II and Degale Jack to name two examples in my lifetime.
     
  5. AwardedSteak863

    AwardedSteak863 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ali vs Norton III was already mentioned but is the first one that comes to mind.

    Louis vs Walcott I is another one that would have been huge in the heavyweight division.

    Sweet pea vs Chavez was pretty bad.

    Ike Quartey vs Oscar was not so much a robbery like the others I mentioned but just a really close fight that would have had huge implications in the welterweight division at the time.
     
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  6. Seamus

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    Julio Cesar Vazquez deserved the nod over Whitaker, who was getting crowned the new P4P king before the first bell rang. Vazquez should arguably had been remembered as a Top 3 ATG at 154. Instead he was used as a coronation prop for Whitaker who couldn't convincingly beat an old, overweight Chavez.
     
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  7. janitor

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    OK, but if these results happen, then where does the timeline go from there?
     
  8. AwardedSteak863

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    Well, had Norton rightfully got the decision, Leon Spinks likely doesn't become a world champion and Ali maybe doesn't become a 3 time heavyweight champ.

    Louis immediately gave Walcott a rematch because that was the type of champion he was and he knocked Jersey Joe out. The only thing that would have changed was the length of Louis's historic reign.

    Had Ike got the win against Oscar, he likely would have fought Tito in a unification fight instead of Oscar.
     
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  9. ikrasevic

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    Larry Holmes Vs. Tim Witherspoon
    This means that Witherspoon won There would be no Holmes Vs. Spinks fight, I guess. That would then mean that there wouldn't even be a Tyson Vs Spinks fight....
     
  10. janitor

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    Agreed, but then the punchers are going to circle like sharks.
    Agreed, but does that perhaps change Walcott's career?

    Would he have made multiple runs at the title, if he had already held the title?

    He would have probably made far more from the Louis rematch, than he made as champion in the real timeline.
     
  11. janitor

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    I think that the implications would have gone a long way beyond that.

    In your scenario a very green Tim Witherspoon, suddenly finds himself the lineal champion.

    Presumably there was a rematch clause, albeit I ma not certain off the top of my head.

    That fight becomes huge.

    However it turns out, Don King likely has a very different relationship with Witherspoon, and even if he doesn't Witherspoon's name carries more currency.

    If Witherspoon wins the rematch, then it turns on who beats Witherspoon first, as opposed to who beats Holmes first.

    If Holmes wins the rematch, then Witherspoon is the man to beat, if you can't get Holmes.

    Where are you @Tim Witherspoon
     
  12. AwardedSteak863

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    Regarding Walcott, he likely becomes the first man to regain the heavyweight title instead of Patterson.
     
  13. ikrasevic

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    IMHO. I think that would change boxing history more than Ali Vs. Norton 3.
    After losing to Norton, he only had one "big" win against Shavers (the question is how big Shavers is). And IMHO it would have been better if Ali had lost to Norton, rather than to Leon Spinks.
    Ali's career after Manila is not great, he is not remembered by boxing fans for that, and many dispute it (after Manila).
     
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    Very plausible, but would he have pursued Charles with such ferocity, if the had already held the title?

    If Walcott wins the first fight against Louis, then the rematch is going to be one of the biggest gates in boxing history.

    Walcott's game was always to buy some businesses, so that he would have security for himself, and all the litter of children that he had adopted.
     
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  15. AwardedSteak863

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    All solid questions but regarding the first one, I think Jersey Joe still goes right after Charles the same way. Walcott certainly defended his title with everything he had in 52' against Rocky. It's true he was looking to maximize his dollar at the end of his career but it is also true he was proud champion and he carried himself as such against Marciano in their first fight.