Prime Joe Louis vs Rocky Marciano?

Rocky could lose to Prime Walcott/Charles, Schmeling, Max Baer, Conn and Pastor.
There are other challengers like Nova, B. Baer and Ramage that could give him tough fights.

The problem is that there's so many prime or close to prime heavyweights in Louis's record that Rocky will inevitably find one that beats him.

Sure, but crouching durable fighters already faced Louis and were knocked out. Fighters with equally great chins and better defensive skills were also knocked out.
Depending on your durability to outlast Louis in a slugfest just doesn't work because he hits so hard and so often that even a 10/10 chin will only hold up for a few rounds in those circumstances.

Louis, when he fought Marciano, lacked his reflexes, stamina and power. That significantly changes how he used his skills even if he had the same knowledge.

Both men are durable. The decisive factor is who hits the other more often and more cleanly and who can avoid most damage while dishing it out.
To land his combos, Rocky will again have to close the distance, past the jab, like he did in 1951, but this Louis retreats faster and throws actual bombs that will repeatedly find their mark on Marciano, the same way 1951 Louis tagged him, the same way everybody tagged him, but these bombs are not the type you walk through.

 

Well, ok then.

 

Have you thought through ALL or the problems you would have caused Floyd Mayweather, Jr. if Rocky had gone up to 56-0? Could Floyd have found the required number of MMA fighters to boost his record to 57-0? THAT may not have been easy! Not easy at all!

 

Marciano but instead 8 he would need atleast 13 rounds.
It would be brutal slugfest, but even Louis said that even in his prime, he would lose against Marciano.

 

The Louis that Marciano faced was about 35% of the prime version. And still Rock's eye was busted up.

100% Louis kills Marciano. And I mean it. A dangerous fight for Marciano, with his heart and recovery powers, running into the offensive thresher that was a Prime Louis.

Louis by Murder or the closest thing to it that the referee allows.

 

"How would Rocky have done against a prime Joe Louis?"...Goldman said..."The fight would have been over...quicker!" The reporter asked him why?....Goldman said: "Because you don't COME AT Rocky Marciano!"
"I had a bad weakness I kept hid throughout my career. I didn't like to be crowded, and Marciano always crowded his opponents. That's why I say I could never have beaten him." Joe Louis, May, 1990 issue of Boxing Illustrated

 

Like that’s gospel. Prime Louis whips Rocky, just like Ali and several others would. He deserves much credit for what he accomplished in his time and place, I rank Rocky No. 5 among heavyweights because of that, but he’s not winning a whole lot of H2H matches.

 

Have you ever seen Louis fight a crowding fighter?
Here he is backing away and shoveling uppercuts into Arturo Godoy's face (Godoy has better head movement than Marciano mind you):
https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detai...ip-bout-news-footage/1299303484?adppopup=true

Louis was a stalking fighter, not a smothering fighter like Frazier, Dempsey, Armstrong or Marciano. He would pressure his opponent by cornering him but he would leave them enough space for them to attempt an attack that he would counter. He wanted his space for his own counters and his jab. Even when he was right up against a fighter after landing a combo, he would back away to leave space, like he does below against the swarming Nathan Mann:

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As for Louis's quote, he always gave credit to every fighter he fought. He wasn't just going to say Marciano was going to be knocked out against him in his prime. But he did speak about how he could see Marciano's opening but he just couldn't move his body to exploit them.
And we know his record against short swarming fighters before his fight with Marciano. He knocked them all out.
Seems like people take Goldman's quote and run with it, oblivious as to how Louis actually operated within the ring.

 

Louis would win likely by stoppage in a later round. Marciano was too small and I think the reason he retired undefeated is because his competition was not just small but often old. I generally consider Louis's era to be the 2nd best era of HW boxing and he dominated it. I don't think Marcianos power or chin would translate nearly as well against larger fighters though if he chose to fight at HW. I do not think Rocky would have a good chance against Louis though maybe he could win some rounds.

 

The guy who went life and death with Bonavena and Chuvalo aint beating a Rocky, and even if he does it would be difficult.
Muhammad Ali even admitted that but I guess you know better than him.

 

Guess you know better than Goldman and Louis.
Louis was a gentleman but wont praise anyone for no reason.
Louis had problems with swarmers but Marciano is better 10 times than Godoy and Galento combined.
BTW you cant discredit Louis quote and his opinion just because you do not like it.

 

"Marciano Was Easy to Hit"
In his time and ever since, it's been claimed that Marciano was a wide open target, easy to hit, and therefore wouldn't have lasted long against the big sluggers. This is not true. There was a deceptiveness to his style, making him look easy to hit to observers, but not easy for opponents.

Charlie Goldman (1955): "He ain't easy to hit as they say. Rocky rolls under punches and he weaves under punches... He protects his belly by blocking punches with his elbows."
Roland LaStarza (fought Marciano twice) asked where Marciano had improved most between the first and second fights: "In defense. It was harder to get at him... Rocky fools you. He doesn't take as much punishment as it seems. He looks easy to hit inside but he isn't."
Keene Simmons (1951 opponent, KO'd in 8th) "He fools you. When you loook at him from outside the ring he seems easy to hit but if you're in the ring with him you find this isn't the case. His head is bobbing and he's crouched low, so low in fact that you can't get a clear shot at him."

Joe Louis, in the dressing room after his fight with Rocky:"Marciano is a good puncher and he's hard to hit. He has a funny style."

Joe Louis, to Wendell Smith of the Pittsburgh Courier:"He's a good fighter. Better than most people realize. He's strong and young and hard to hit."

Angello Dundee (Ali's trainer)"Rocky was a very deceiving guy. He was not that easy to hit."

Jersey Joe Walcott and Archie Moore both said Marciano had proved to be much harder to hit than they had expected. And Ali, during the filming of the "computer fight" told Angello Dundee that he was surprised at how hard it was to land his jab on Marciano.

 

Against Galento he suffered a knockdown, and Rocky is not Galento, if he caught you he will keep you down.

 

Galento was 230 lbs and Louis took his best shot and finished him in 4 rounds. Tony was on his knees in the ref's embrace with his face looking like an Italian recipe. If that's the fight you want to use to prop up Rocky's chances, be my guest.

 

Yeah, fat man from the streets, another words fora a bum.
He was just tough man with no skills but good left and nothing more.

Yeah but suffered tremendous knockdown, I cant imagine Walcott or Charles getting knocked down by fat tough guy from the pub, who was drinking beer.

Because he did not know for any kind of head movement.
Marciano was million times harder to catch.