Ron Lyle vs Cleveland Williams

Right. Ali turned that fight around against Lyle with one shot.

Ali stopped Liston twice, Foreman, Frazier, Quarry twice, Lyle, Ellis, Bonavena, Folley, Williams, Moore, Patterson twice, Cooper twice, Mildenberger, Daniels ...

Lyle and Williams combined didn't stop as many quality names as Ali did.

 

You can confirm the ratings independently if you want but Ellis absolutely was ranked exactly where I listed him when he fought Lyle. Even if you removed Ellis from the list, which you cant because he was ranked, Lyle still beat more ranked fighters than Williams and beat better fighters than Williams. Period.

 

Well I don't have the magazines so I'd have to search through newspaper archives but I don't see how Middleton who was ranked at 10, before losing to Quarry, magically climbed up to number 4 so perhaps I'm missing something. Ellis was not ranked by the Ring at least. Going to the gym. After I get back, I'll go though the Archives and get back to you.

 

Why would I care who Ring magazine ranks? They dont have any official standing, they dont determine who gets title shots, they cant strip anyone, the cant enforce their ratings. Nothing. So who gives a **** what they say.

 

You say who cares about the Ring ratings, well for decades it was the Bible of boxing, in your previous post you say that Ellis was ranked where you stated, so where did that info come from ? I would proffer either a newspaper or magazine no ?
furthermore I have found you to one of the most discourteous and curt posters i have come across over my years on the forum, shame because you are also one of the most informative and knowledgeable.
Stay safe klompton, chat soon.

 

Hi Mike,

In this instance Klompton will be referring to the WBC or WBA rankings.

Forgive me for answering a question directed to another poster, I just wanted ensure a nice, polite chap like you got a courteous response, first.

 

LOL, it was the bible of boxing because it called itself the bible of boxing. As I said, it had no authority and no ability to dictate who got shots etc so its ratings were meaningless. Period.

So if I post an article illustrating that Ellis was rated is it going to change your mind about anything or is this just busy work for me? Because if its just to inform you that Ellis was rated then you can find that information on your own without too much trouble.

 

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The Ring ratings were far superior to the WBC and WBA for decades. There are myriads of examples of disgustingly horrific ratings by both parties and there was loads of corruption. Regardless of power the vast majority of us in here stick to Ring ratings vs at times fraudulent alphabet ones.

 

Lyle steamrolls him.

 

Steamroll is a strong word

 

Lyle was a strong dude!

 

Sounds like a pretty good fight. I guess it could go either way but I’m thinking it would be entertaining.

 

And there is time to get out of the way of steam rollers - at least for some: -

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The Ring ratings were every bit as fallible as the sanctioning bodies and actually had a financial incentive to skew the ratings by virtue of the fact that Nat Loubet, editor of the Ring during this exact time period in question, told me personally that the Ring regularly rated undeserving fighters, wrote articles about undeserving fighters, and featured undeserving fighters on their cover in order to boost sales in cities, states, and countries were those fighters were popular. Nevermind that for the entirety of its run under Fleischer and Loubet it was subsidized by promoters and managers, despite the uproar that we saw when Golden Boy purchased it and people like yourself, not knowing its history, cried that a promoter owning the magazine would cause a conflict of interest. Lol. As if Tex Rickard himself didnt fund the opening of the magazine, provide its offices, and write its first ratings…. spoiler alert: HE DID.

And by the way, the fact remains that Lyle beat better fighters and more ranked fighters than Williams. First Williams nuthuggers claimed he didnt, then it was “oh well, one of those guys wasnt ranked.” And now its “well that one wasnt ranked by Ring magazine.” I guess if you afmit the facts you have to admit that there isnt much substance to the Williams mythos.