Terence Crawford's Legacy

JusABoxinFan,

We know that it’s out of his control. Of course it’s not his fault that he’s not in a great era. But it’s nothing personal. It’s just that we can only judge a fighter on what he’s done.

You can argue he could rank high on a H2H basis, based on his ability. You can debate/argue that with people. But under traditional ranking criteria, he can’t rank with the greats yet, because he’s simply not beaten any great fighters.

Many knowledgeable fans DO KNOW of those great fighters and their opponents. People who lived through the eras, or who have studied their careers.

No, getting your hand raised isn’t all that matters.

Not at all.

Any result means nothing without the relevant context being applied.

That’s a very ignorant comment to make.

Terence has done great. He’s done all he can. He’s fought and beat every opponent, and he couldn’t do anymore. But none of those fighters were great fighters.

It’s just that simple.

Again, it’s nothing personal.

It doesn’t matter to me that he’s 2 x undisputed.

It doesn’t matter to me that Floyd was 50-0, and fought all of those world champions.

Again, the relevant context has to be applied.

Stats are nice and the belts might be shiny. But nothing on paper matters as much as who they’ve fought, and at what point.

Terence Crawford is a great fighter, but one with a poor resume. So as yet, he cannot rank up there with some of the greats of the past.

Regarding Spence, that was a masterclass performance. But I wouldn’t have said that Spence was in his prime. Not at all.

I’d like to seem him fight Boots.

I give him huge, huge credit for chasing the Canelo fight.

 

I think he's a quality fighter who's operated in a poor era. The 2x undisputed thing looks good on paper put the reality is his resume is thin and those belts are just trinkets. Never rated Spence that highly either tbh

 

JusABoxinFan,

I have studied the sport for 30 years.

I have studied the careers of those fighters.

There are many members on here who have also done the same.

There are other members on here, both older and more knowledgeable than myself, who lived through those eras


Now I didn’t say that Porter and Spence etc, couldn’t survive against those guys.

I said that Porter, Spence, Gamboa, Brook and Khan etc, were not as good as guys like Leonard, Duran, Hagler and Hearns etc.

And if you were knowledgeable of those guys and their careers, then you would also KNOW that.

The creatures Terence has come across don’t even compare to some of those old creatures.

If we use your analogy, then you’re comparing Nemo to Jaws.

 

Exactly.

It looks great on paper.

It sounds incredibly impressive when you say it out loud.

But when you see who he’s fought, you realise that it’s nothing particularly great, and there’s other fighters throughout history who could have replicated those results and followed the timeline, had they have been given the same opportunity.

Shane, Floyd and Oscar would all have beaten his opponents.

 

All this bullsh!t about Crawford never beating a great opponent when Spence was undefeated and ranked #4 PFP

 

Its not certain Floyd beats prime DLH or 2009 Manny.

What is known is that all of PBC WWs avoided Crawford for years. Danny Garcia passed on a career high payday plus PPV backside to fight Granados...(who?) And Thurman wanted Crawford to pay him 4x his purse that he got in Pacman fight.

What is known is that when some of the PBC WWs finally stepped up only Bud stopped Porter and only Bud stopped Spence.

What is known is that Roach kept Pacman from Crawford, but was willing to fight Spence (and all other PBC WWs).

Bud beats every PBC WW, including Manny, for me. Bud fights to stop opponents not win decisions. Bud beats Mosley and I believe Floyd and DLH at WW.

40 professional fights and zero questionable outcomes w wins over Spence, Porter, Postol, Gamboa, Dulorme, Burns, Brook, and Diaz. Crawford also has zero ducks in his resume despite not having a whose who of opponents. Of his best wins Spence, Porter, Brook, Gamboa, and Burns are probable HOF candidates.

 

Was that version of Spence great?

How great was even a prime version of Spence?

 

Terence is a great fighter.

Yes, he may have beaten those guys.

But we don’t know. And especially as he never fought guys of that calibre.


Regarding the HOF, of course I greatly respect every fighter who fights. No matter what level they’re at, either amateur or pro. So I don’t want to disrespect anybody. However, it’s not that difficult for a guy to get into the HOF these days. And many of the guys who get enrolled aren’t great fighters.

Why would Ricky Burns and Shawn Porter be HOF guys?

Why would they even be candidates?

You’re probably right. They probably will be candidates. But they shouldn’t be.


Again, Terence has only fought who’s available. It’s not his fault that he hasn’t got lots of great fighters to fight. But he just hasn’t fought many top fighters. And that was my point to the other posters.

Sure, you can say that he’d have beaten Leonard, Floyd and Duran etc. But the opinions don’t carry any weight, simply because he’s just never seen guys like those before.

 

What a resume, a 2 time broken face victim, someone who was 0-2 in car accidents, a double hip replacement semi retired commentator, someone who got battered by Ray Beltran the fight before, Dulorme lol, Diaz and Gamboa are both teeny tiny ickle people and Postol is probably his best win. You just needed to add gunshot victim Benavidez to your list. Add to that Brook is a stab victim, top resume.

 

Spence was undefeated, younger than Bud, and fighting at the same weight his whole career.

Spence was Spence. He just never fought someone like Bud.

And the car crash aint nothing to being literally shot in the damn skull

 

This is pretty pathetic. Since you like to handicap people, please acknowledge that Terrence Crawford was shot in the head.

 

He looks good but hasn't proven it against a great fighter. He should fight Ennis or Tszyu next. If he can get a shot at Canelo and whip that azz then he'll take a jump in historical rankings.

 

Grazed by a ricocheted bullet and then drove to hospital himself although it is technically being shot in the head it just isn't the same. But you've bitten, you hate to see it.