Liston vs Ali 2, Did Ali try to buy Liston recovery time?

You can see the same ripples if someone slaps you and you put the video in slow motion. That punch couldn't crush a grape.

 

What did Ali do in Manila to deserve to be "kicked out of the ring"?

 

Jimmy Cannon's spirit lives on.

 

I've tried pointing this out to people, but the big conspiracy angle is apparently much more interesting.

Even Dundee himself pointed this out. Ali scored knockdowns with the exact same "phantom punch" in other fights. It was a counter right hand at an odd angle and Liston didn't see it coming unable to brace himself. It was a legitimate, good hard punch and Liston suffered a flash knockdown. He then chose to stay down to buy time because Ali was prancing around yelling. And that was Liston's right to stay down due to he fact Walcott was trying to get Ali to a neutral corner before beginning the count. Next thing you know, Nat Fleischer ****s it all up by saying Liston was down for more than 10 seconds and Walcott ****s things up even more by listening to him and putting a stop to the fight.

That's it, there's no need for this nefarious diabolical foul play angle. Could Liston have gotten up sooner? Maybe. But he wasn't obligated to since Ali wouldn't go to a neutral corner. Was he perhaps discouraged and didn't have the heart to continue after an embarrassing opening round? Maybe, but that's irrelevant. Walcott and Fleischer stopped the fight, and Liston was squared up ready to continue fighting Ali when it happened.

 

A shot doesn't have to be very hard at all to put someone down if they're out of position. The most recent example of this occurred this past Friday when Foster dropped Nova with a little check hook when the latter's feet were squared up. If Nova was in better position, he doesn't go down. Same principle probably applies here, except that Ali's punch was actually a whole lot better in terms of quality.

 

I don't think it would have mattered what Norton did, he wasn't going to win a decision over Ali at that time ,and I thought he won 10 rounds in that fight. He got robbed plain and simple , heck look at Ali's body language after the bell when Norton yelled at him,,,,he knew he'd lost.

 

Ali did scream for Liston to get up.

However, in all contradiction to his instantaneous call for Sonny to arise, after Liston had only been down for 6 seconds, Ali already began his circular victory dance, with arms raised, AROUND Liston.

So did Ali really want Liston to get up? - notably, Ali was happy to celebrate BEFORE Liston was down for 10 seconds.

Ali’s haranguing of Liston was reflexive - he was screaming at Sonny to get up even before it was at all possible for Liston to attempt doing same - Sonny’s *** had barely hit the canvas when Ali started ranting.

When Liston first attempted to arise, he can clearly catch sight of Ali, STILL having failed to retreat to a neutral corner, about to buzz close by him yet again, at that moment, Liston let himself fall back down - yeah, that looked deliberate.

Liston later said that he didn’t get a count (FACT) and that he didn’t want arise with Ali near enough by to hit him as he was arising.

Now, if you accept a legit flash KD (I do) Liston’s explanations for himself are not at all out of order.

People too easily and too lazily assign the blame ALL on the designated villain, Liston.

Walcott, Fleischer and especially Ali, ALL contributed to the confusion and chaos. For old Jersey Joe, perhaps some déjà vu there also.

If one interprets a straight and up down dive, then do they believe that the “clowning” TRIO (as described above) to have also been in on it? They were certainly an able support cast even if unwittingly so.

A perfectly timed and clearly solid punch caught Liston moving in.

Also, it wasn’t as if Ali didn’t visibly hurt Liston in their first fight either - several downward chopping punches turning the trick.

Ali used to joke about his punches being so fast that cameras couldn’t even record them.

Well, we know Ali was super fast and in even within that context, that punch in question was unbelievably fast.

This less often seen camera view - courtesy of Rich The Fight Historian, clearly illustrates just how ridiculously fast that punch was, time stamped a few moments before Ali drops the right hand: -

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If Ali Norton lll was such a robbery why did UPI and Joe Frazier have it 8-7 Norton and UPI have it 9-6 Ali?