Rank pre-Ali heavyweigt champs by each category

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  1. Unique Way

    Unique Way Active Member Full Member

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    Give me top-5 by:

    - punching power
    - skills
    - speed
    - boxing IQ
    - chin
     
  2. Usyk is the best

    Usyk is the best Active Member Full Member

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    Not in exact order, just top-5

    Skills

    Ezzard Charles
    Joe Louis
    Sonny Liston
    Floyd Patterson
    Max Schmeling

    Power
    Liston
    Louis
    Marciano
    Dempsey
    Baer
     
  3. Ney

    Ney Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Chronological, not rating them 1-5, but…

    Power:

    Dempsey, Baer, Louis, Marciano, Liston

    Skills:

    Johnson, Tunney, Louis, Charles, Walcott

    Speed:

    Dempsey, Tunney, Louis, Charles, Patterson

    IQ:

    Fitzsimmons, Johnson, Tunney, Louis, Charles

    Chin:

    Jeffries, Dempsey, Tunney, Baer, Marciano
     
  4. themostoverrated

    themostoverrated Active Member Full Member

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    - punching power
    Liston, Dempsey, Baer, Louis, Marciano.

    - skills
    Louis, Charles, Tunney, Johnson, Marciano.

    - speed
    Patterson, Dempsey, Marciano, Walcott, Tunney.

    - boxing IQ
    Louis, Schmeling, Tunney, Corbett, Charles.

    - chin
    Marciano, Dempsey, Willard, Jeffries, Louis.
     
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  5. Greg Price99

    Greg Price99 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This, except Charles instead of Marciano for speed (clearly) and Sharkey in for Marciano for skills (arguably).
     
  6. Ney

    Ney Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Louis a better chin than Tunney?
     
  7. themostoverrated

    themostoverrated Active Member Full Member

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    At HW, Tunney's chin was largely untested.
     
  8. HistoryZero26

    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Power
    M Baer, Louis,Liston, Fitzsimmons, Tom Sharkey

    Chin
    Tunney, Marciano, Burns,Louis, Braddock

    Skills
    Tunney, Louis, Ezzard Charles, Jack Sharkey, Marciano



    I'm going to pass on speed and fighter IQ because you really need clear video to rank that especially speed. Numbers and testimonials are not enough IMO.
     
  9. Ney

    Ney Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That’s fair. Admittedly I draw on his whole career there.
     
  10. Noel857

    Noel857 I Am Duran Full Member

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    Power : Liston
    Skills : Charles
    Speed : Patterson
    Boxing IQ : Louis
    Chin : Marciano
     
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  11. yotam bing

    yotam bing Member Full Member

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    punching power
    liston
    marciano
    louis
    dempsey
    fitzsimmons
    skills
    charles
    tunney
    louis
    walcott
    fitzsimmons
    speed
    patterson
    tunney
    dempsey
    charles
    corbett
    boxing IQ
    charles
    walcott
    corbett
    fitzsimmons
    schmeling
    chin
    patterson clearly
    marciano
    jeffries
    braddock
    dempsey
    tunney
     
  12. Pedro_El_Chef

    Pedro_El_Chef Active Member Full Member

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    Many of these are interchangable and the differences between them arent substantial in most of these categories. If I include a fighter in any category it means they are good in that aspect even if they are last.

    PUNCHING POWER

    Max Baer
    Sonny Liston
    Joe Louis
    Jack Dempsey
    Rocky Marciano
    Max Schmeling
    Joe Walcott
    Floyd Patterson
    Jim Braddock

    SKILLS
    Ezzard Charles
    Gene Tunney
    Max Schmeling
    Jersey Joe Walcott
    Joe Louis
    (Jack Sharkey, Sonny Liston, Floyd Patterson, Jack Johnson honorable mentions)

    SPEED
    Floyd Patterson
    Joe Louis
    Jack Dempsey
    Max Schmeling
    Ezzard Charles
    Gene Tunney
    Joe Walcott

    BOXING IQ
    Ezzard Charles
    Gene Tunney
    Joe Louis
    Max Schmeling
    Joe Walcott
    Jack Sharkey

    CHIN
    Jim Braddock
    Max Baer
    Jack Dempsey
    Rocky Marciano
    Gene Tunney
    Joe Louis
    Sonny Liston
    Max Schmeling
     
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  13. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    Punching power:
    5. Rocky Marciano
    4. Joe Louis
    3. Jack Dempsey
    2. Sonny Liston
    1. Max Baer (hardest puncher of all time imo, but lacked much else aside from durability)
    Skills
    5. Gene Tunney
    4. Ezzard Charles
    3. Floyd Patterson
    2. Sonny Liston
    1. Joe Louis
    Speed
    5. Gene Tunney
    4. Ezzard Charles
    3. Joe Louis
    2. Jack Dempsey
    1. Floyd Patterson (fastest heavy of all time imo at least in terms of hand speed).
    Boxing IQ
    5. Ezzard Charles
    4. Jack Johnson
    3. Gene Tunney
    2. Joe Louis
    1. Liston. Yeah I said it. I think Liston's ring IQ was superior to Louis's which is a tad overrated. He was second to none at adapting in rematches but as for on the fly adjustments, he could at times be less than stellar. For example the issue with dropping his left against Schmeling. He could never adjust the whole fight. Then there's the Conn fight. Liston was an excellent adapter in his prime, as seen by the Williams bouts, and especially the Machen bout. He put away the heavy artillery, kept his punches short and sweet, and displayed excellent footwork.
    Chin
    5. Jim Jeffries
    4. Rocky Marciano
    3. Jack Dempsey
    2. Max Baer (overrated, but with a defense like that, he kind of had to have had an elite chin)
    1. Sonny Liston