Sugar Ray Robinson vs King Carlos Monzon (160lbs 15 rounds)

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Who do you think wins?

  1. The King

    39 vote(s)
    48.8%

  2. The Sugar

    39 vote(s)
    48.8%

  3. Draw

    2 vote(s)
    2.5%
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  1. Clinton

    Clinton Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Like Ray in this. He is just a wee bit too slick.
     
    Clinton, Feb 21, 2024
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  2. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Mauling Mormon’s banned Full Member

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    13-14 with “The Sugar” out front.
     
    Journeyman92, Feb 21, 2024
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  3. Kid Bacon

    Kid Bacon All-Time-Fat Full Member

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    Even chances for me
     
    Kid Bacon, Feb 21, 2024
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  4. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    Monzon IMO
     
    robert ungurean, Feb 21, 2024
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  5. JohnThomas1

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    Possibly the only welterweight Monzon wouldn't eventually impose himself on. I think Ray pre first retirement at his absolute middleweight best could get home in a close one hard fought battle. Robinson still had gunpowder in his fists against Middleweights and this allied to his speed, slashing combination punching and skill would keep Monzon in check enough to get him home IMO.
     
    JohnThomas1, Feb 21, 2024
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  6. Frankus

    Frankus Active Member Full Member

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    Robinson for me. Too quick plus very durable and smart. Just overall a much better fighter than Monzon.
     
    Frankus, Feb 21, 2024
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  7. Rubber Glove Sandwich

    Rubber Glove Sandwich 'Iranian flag green' reflecting pool Full Member

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    I guess too many of Monzon's fights are in color for this to be a competitive match up.
     
    Rubber Glove Sandwich, Feb 22, 2024
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  8. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Wow,,,it's so hard to pick against Sugar Ray Robinson under 160 pounds against anyone. Safe bet is they'd split a couple of fights but I'd hate to bet on who gets the first win.
     
    Reinhardt, Feb 22, 2024
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  9. hdog500

    hdog500 New Member Full Member

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    Lean towards Monzon. I think he keeps him outside enough and Robinson doesn't do enough damage at mid-range partly because of Monzon's height. Robinson doesn't get to punch down on the shorter guy.
     
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    hdog500, Feb 22, 2024
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  10. HomicideHank

    HomicideHank I believe in the transmigration of souls Full Member

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    That's a good one.
    Monzon fought a much weaker crop of Middleweights. His two notable wins (outside of Benvenuti) are against old washed-up welterweights.
    He's not as fast, not as powerful, nowhere near as skilled etc. I have a very hard time seeing where exactly the competition is.
     
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    HomicideHank, Feb 22, 2024
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  11. Ney

    Ney Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    & so it is - 16-16-2.
     
    Ney, Feb 23, 2024
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  12. newurban99

    newurban99 Active Member Full Member

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    Carlos was a rough boy. I think
    rougher than Ralph "Tiger" Jones who thoroughly beat up the Sugar man in 1955. More than a few guys who defeated Robinson were rough, aggressive types (LaMotta, Turpin, Jones, Basilio, Fullmer). That's why I favor Monzon.
     
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    newurban99, Feb 23, 2024
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  13. HomicideHank

    HomicideHank I believe in the transmigration of souls Full Member

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    Ray fought the majority of those guys when he was past his prime.
     
    HomicideHank, Feb 23, 2024
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  14. Titan1

    Titan1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Monson by close decision. He would make it uncomfortable for Robinson, enough to win the fight.
     
    Titan1, Mar 2, 2024
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  15. mcvey

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    Griffith was the number 1 contender when he fought Monzon
    Griffith was the number 1 contender.
    Tonna
    Bogs
    Mundine
    Licata
    Bouttier
    Were all big middleweights.
    Briscoe and Valdez were quality opponents.
    Monzon wasn't as powerful as Robinson? That is very debateable imo.
     
    mcvey, Mar 3, 2024
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