Reynoso Confident Canelo’s Legacy Won’t Be Defined By Not Fighting Benavidez

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  1. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The fun part is that either you or IsaL will be proven right or wrong. And I'm not sure who is right. Both of you make points that are worthy of consideration. However you're far more arrogant that you think you know it all, calling people idiots or conspiracy theoists for seeing it differently. I'm definitely considering your points, as well as IsaL's, both of you are making me think about what could be going on. We all have our theories and we'll find out who's right soon enough. However if it turns out IsaL is right, and you're wrong, you're the one who'll have egg on your face as you're the one acting like the know it all, you're the one acting like you're smarter than everyone. IsaL on the other hand is far more thoughtful and respectful to others views.
    That's fine for you to believe that, but don't call anyone "idiotic" or conspiracy theorists for having some faith in the intergrity of the process. And I get that most posters on here believe that Boxing is inherently corrupt and no one can believe anything the sanctioning bodies say or do. But to blindingly assume that is still of the conspiracy realm.
     
  2. Eclipse

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    Huh? I have already been proven right, he clearly has no intention in fighting David, and it will be the icing on the cake when they announce the Charlo fight this week on PBC in a fight that has zero demand. Then you will saw poor Canelo was forced to fight him.
     
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  3. Bustajay

    Bustajay Feel the Steel/Balls Deep Full Member

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    But according to @shadow111 David is ducking
     
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  4. Hanz Cholo

    Hanz Cholo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    According to this dude they are ducking each other - he makes very good points.
     
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  5. steviebruno

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    Nonsense. No one is ducking Canelo, bro. Everyone from 147-175 is trying to get that payday. Welterweights, junior middleweights, semi-retired alcoholics, people with 10 fights, etc.
     
  6. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If David runs off to 175 to fight in June as the mandatory who is, according to the WBC, mandated to challenge Canelo in either May or September.
     
  7. IsaL

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    I think Benavidez doesn't want to risk his 0 against Canelo for the money he was going to get paid which I assume is low since word has it that PBC is struggling since Showtime closed shop on boxing.

    If he loses to Canelo he becomes Plant, Smith, Saunders. He knows it. Hell, Plant is more popular than Benavidez on social media, even after he beat Plant.

    Someone advised Benavidez to skip the Canelk fight for now. That's the only thing that makes sense to me.

    Next year when Canelo is a free agent again, he will get Matchroom or Top Rank to co promote the fight with Benavidez with PBC.

    That's my guess.
     
  8. IsaL

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    :lol:

    You're in such denial :loel::lol::loel:
     
  9. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    I make a living in the financial industry. If you search me and financial industry I'm sure you'll find posts showing that I've mentioned that before.

    Banks WILL NOT give you a loan without collateral. Banks do not take big risks, because they don't have too. They have many ways of generating revenue, not just loans.

    Ans fighters like Canelo will not tale a fight unless their payment is guaranteed so they will not cross their fingers and hope the fight generated enough money to pay both fighters, and all the overhead involved.

    Clearly you don't know wtf your talking and I'm wasting my time with you.
     
  10. Eclipse

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    You think PBC is some back yard operation? They have been making mega fights for a decade and paying their fighters but now suddenly then are broke? Benavidez v Canelo is a 100m fight, Canelo knows this, so money should not be an issue. You worry about your guarantee if you are worried a fight will flop.
     
  11. IsaL

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    PBC has been losing money for a decade now, that's common knowledge. Their fighters are overpaid, a lot of their fights are PPVs that can't sell even 250k, a lot can't even break 100k, like Benavidez. Do the math BRO, it's basic math.

    Benavidez sold 60K PPVS at let's say 75, that's a mere 4.5 million, split between two fighters, a promoter, a network and expenses.

    Have you ever stopped to think or wonder why Showtime got rid of boxing?? Because they were losing money. Showtime who aired PBC's PPVs.

    Like I said, I'm wasting my time with you.
     
  12. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Rick Glaser posted on twitter that he's fully vindicated, that Canelo is no longer with PBC :

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    I have no clue if this guy knows what he's talking about that apparently PBC simply doesn't have the $$ to pay Canelo his contractual guarantee. Now I tend to agree with you that Canelo Benavidez on paper should do big numbers, but if PBC can't put up the $$ they guaranteed to Canelo, then they won't be fulfilling their end of the contract. If Glaser is correct that Canelo is going back to DAZN because PBC can't cough up the $$ that would makes sense when you consider that without Showtime's deep pockets the PBC simply doesn't have the funds to foot the bill for a Canelo fight. Canelo signed that 3 fight deal before Showtime announced that they would be leaving boxing. Even though to your point Canelo Benavidez should do big numbers they have to have enough $$ to actually get the fight signed in order to make $$. If they don't have the $$ to do that then they won't have the opportunity to turn a profit.
     
  13. BCS8

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    I've been trying to get the Canelo fight for years but the dude acts like I don't exist.
     
  14. lufcrazy

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    Benavidez has been interim champion since May 22.

    I love how you trust the WBC to now make the decision he definitely gets a title shot, but you won't trust world science proving we live on a globe lol.
     
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  15. shadow111

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    I'm not saying I completely trust the WBC to make the decision nor do I completely distrust the globe. All I know is how the world works and what we know is true and what we're told about something we can't prove. With the WBC we have reason to believe they do show preferential treatment, by not to Canelo, but to Jermall Charlo for example. How was he able to hold his title while being inactive for 2 years. Or were there extenuating circumstances there that gave him an exception. I mean we know that the WBO for example is far more strict than the WBC is when it come to enforcing mandatories, but that doesn't mean we should throw the baby out with the bath water as far as not believing anything they say. There are rules and a certain process that's well outlined and if history has taught us anything it's that the WBC hasn't allowed Canelo to avoid mandatories, given that he was forced to vacate his title when GGG was trying to strong arm Canelo to agree to his terms, in which was really a bully move considering Canelo wasn't the one avoiding GGG for years like Cotto or defending the title at catchweights against actual Middleweights. Canelo had never fought at Middleweight before, but it wasn't too long until Canelo moved up and challenged GGG and eventually winning that title back and in grand fashion by beating the bully up Mexican Style and causing a ripple affect in the minds of GGG fans. That is the story of Canelo the modern day throwback figher.