Douglas vs Tyson, but Douglas can't clinch

Don't understand the point of this thread.

"If they could only fight with one foot".......

Clinching is part of boxing. Is it technically legal? No, but his clinching was not excessive, and everyone that knows how clinches sometimes. Tyson was comprehensively outfought and outthought. Trying to stack the deck in his favor in a parallel universe scenario that could never happen seems a bit pointless.

 

How about Tyson vs. Berbick if Mike wasn’t allowed to punch while we’re at it, lol?

Big Bus just takes him out quicker if no clinches happen. Mike was the most cooperative top heavyweight in history when it came to falling willingly into clinches (many of which he initiated by thrusting one or both hands forwards inside under the opponent’s arms).

 

You mean even though Douglas didn't do any excessive clinching?

 

I never got why that hole in his game was never fixed. Trained right, you'd think he'd been a demon fighting out of a clinch with his hooks and uppercuts.

 

You think Douglas was allowed to clinch too much and that's why he won? Seriously?

 

I don't get why people come to a thread, with a novel paragraph post about how pointless a thread is. Appearently scrolling doesn't exist.


But to the fight itself. I saw some clips (not highlights) mainly going through the fight itself. At first I used to think that Mike was just not training properly and such. At first I thought that Mike wasn't punching enough or he wasn't moving his head enough,but I went through the fight quickly and here is my conclusion;

Mike would never have beaten Douglas that night. It doesn't matter if Rooney was there or not. And the reason why isn't the jab, the jab was a part of it, but that wasn't the main ingredient. The main ingredients are this; stopped going backwards as the fight went on and stood right infront of him, why is that? Firstly, I don't care what anyone says, in the first round he was scared. But he gained more confidence in round 2. But one thing he realized as the fight went on was that he noticed Mike couldn't load up if he stood his ground. And the second and most important ingredient, Douglas beat him on the inside. The most damage Mike took in this fight was on the inside, and Mike just has no inside game.

So Douglas would never lose against Mike because he exploited Mike's 2 biggest weaknesses. An opponent not going backwards, and an opponent that could infight.

And here is my closing statement: Mike was the one that was clinching all the time in this fight

 

" If my grandmother had wheels, she'd be a wagon".
A quote From Montgomery Scott .
Clinching is a part of boxing. It's gets penalized when it's excessive.
Douglas wasn't penalized because he didn't clinch excessively.
Tyson was a cash cow for Don King the promoter of that fight. If their was anyway he could've saved Tyson from defeat. He would've.
Including a unnecessary disqualification if Douglas had clinched more than the usual.
And King did attempt to take the fight from him after he was knocked down. He pushed his agenda of he was down longer than 10 seconds. ( He clearly wasn't ) thus trying to give Tyson the win .
The only issue anyone should have with that fight is we saw a glimpse of what Douglas could be with dedication.
And that he'd let his lack of dedication dictate his career through most of it.

 

C'mon man

 

Spot on.
The whole thing about Tyson, if he could make you miss and then hit you, he would close distance and light you up. But if he made you miss and the counter wasn't there, he would walk in and grab. If you watch the Tyson career, he initiated most of the clinches he was involved in. And he did it to have the referee break them so he could get back outside and try again.

 

I was watching the Mitch Green fight the other day and Tyson was way more active in the clinch. Constantly hitting Mitch to the body with his free hand.

Apparently he just got more lazy in the clinch after that.

 

Rooney Himself in an interview after Spinks in essence said that Mike was lazy piece of s who coudln't fight in a clinch

 

I don’t begrudge the hypothetical set up.

However, as I saw it, Douglas’ victory wasn’t notable for clinching, rather, Buster actually fought Mike and fought to win.

As to other fights where the opponents did pointedly clinch Mike, Tyson would often literally look to the ref as if expecting the ref to intervene and extricate him from a situation that Mike wasn’t willing to fight out of himself.

 

That's true, Buster had to clinch himself, it was all part of the game.

 

Do you have even the slightest idea how much a man hurts? Inside?