Canelo vs Jermall on May 4th

If he’s coming in for 147 at 160lbs, and comes in for 160 at 160lbs. There’s no difference. You don’t need to drain yourself to feel good.

Crawford wouldn’t need to cut to 147lbs to weigh in at 160lbs just like Pacquiao doesn’t cut down to 130lbs to weigh in at 135-152, despite his fight night weight remaining relatively the same (At 135 vs Diaz, Pacquiao was 147lbs on fight night. At 140 vs Hatton, Pacquiao was 148lbs on fight night. At 152 vs Margarito, Pacquiao was again 148lbs on fight night). Walter’s another, at 126lbs was around 138lbs on fight night (138lbs vs Donaire), at 130lbs he was around the same (136lbs vs Lomachenko).

Cutting is not required for peak performance.

 

It’s a simple modification to diet and exercise depending on where you want to go. If you want to stay at 160lbs on fight night for 160, the weight you are on fight night at 147lbs. The only change would be the cutting of water weight, for the most part. So you show up at the weigh in at 160, and on fight night thereabouts.

 

Yeah I think the importance of cutting large amounts of weight for an advantage is overstated in boxing, especially in the modern era when there are so many more divisions than before and the difference in weight between one division and another is much smaller than before.

Hopkins at middleweight never gained a huge amount of weight, often weighing in the mid 160's in the ring, same with Froch who would only weight in the low 170's at 168. Even Mayweather when he first moved up to 147 didn't drain himself at all, he was 149 vs Baldomir and didn't gain any weight at all when facing Judah coming in at 146 the same weight he weighed in at the day before. Juan Diaz the former lightweight champion too was a fighter who only gained a few lbs above his weigh in weight, which maybe why he could fight at such a high pace as he wasn't draining himself down at all.

If fighters spent more time in camp training specific skills to overcome their opponents rather than spending time an effort in camp to cut large amounts of weight they might end up being more rounded and versatile boxers.

 

TC will look soft and flabby if he just comes in at 160.

 

But he is already 160 on fight night anyways. How would a weight cut suddenly tone his body?
It´s not like he is Josesito Lopez who is chowing down seaweed to bulk up for a new weight class.

Crawford would be physically in the exact same shape as he always is, only he wouldn´t have to cut weight the day before the fight.

 

I swear, most fans are ******s when it comes to understanding weight.

 

Proper weight cutting conditions a fighter's body through the sacrifices that need to be made to attain the desired weight. For TC to get to 147, he has to run hard, be more conscious of what he puts in his body, etc.

If there was no benefit to cutting weight, fighters wouldn't do it.

... But then you have some fighters that put on too much body fat in between camps and have to focus solely on weight loss.

As with anything in life, in can be abused to the point of detriment.

 

You also have other guys like Bivol who is probably no bigger than 190, but will cut down to make 175 then rehydrate to 180 something. There's not much of a difference, assuming there is at all, between rehydrated weight and natural body weight for him.

Thats the opposite for other guys like Spence who are extreme. He was apparently 170-180 outside the ring, yet drained all the way down to 147 to fight, probably rehydrating in the 160 range given his height.

Then of course there are the heavyweights who defy all these norms. Half the time they don't even bother cutting any weight and occasionally will gain weight for a fight. Bowe came in I believe around 250 in the 2nd Holyfeld fight as opposed to the first when he was around 230-240. While he started off sloppy, he evened the odds as the match and was beginning to overtake a better Holyfeld than in the first fight, until of course the fan man ruined it. His performance was poor from a technique standpoint, but largely unaffected from a conditioning standpoint.

Weight cutting is pretty much a science in and of itself. It does seem to be more beneficial than not, but I would assume that has to do with how much weight was cut, in what areas was it cut from, how was it cut and how did said fighter rehydrate if they did at all.

 

By all means. Explain to me how if you dehydrated yourself today and lost 15lbs, how it would tone your body after you rehydrated!
Go ahead. Explain that!

It´s infuriating me how stupid people can be. All you are doing is dropping water weight, weight you will add back on for the following night. Your body composition doesn´t change, You won´t gain or lose either muscle nor fat.
You are just temporarily lighter due to dehydration.

 

They don't 'dehydrate' themselves. That's f'n crazy. When they are training, obviously they drink a lot of water. How is that dehydrating??? And you have to understand, when they start training camp, they lose weight. That's just physics. They are running a LOT, working out in the gym, and of course a sh*t ton of sparring. ALL that contributes to dropping weight to get in to their fighting condition.

So what I am hearing from you is, all TC needs to do is TRAIN LESS to lose less weight. Does training less sound like a realistic scenarior to you?

There's no simple formula that some of you seem to think there is.

Look at Oscar at 154 and then againat Sturm. Oscar obviously entered the ring at jrMw in the 160s. Well shoot, all he had to do was lose some water weight ONLY for Sturm and he'd look just as good and he would NOT have looked flabby. Right???

Look, we've gone through this already. You feel free to believe how easy it is to look exactly the same at 147 and 160 and I'll do the oppostite.

 

I am saying that Crawford(in this example) does his usual camp, everything is exactly the same. On fight night he is the same as always.
But before the weigh in, he doesn´t dehydrate himself. That is all.
He still works to get down to his fight weight which is 160(probably a few lbs more).

So him dehydrating would change absolutely nothing.

 

If he does his usual camp, he comes in well under 160. And that's STILL not big enough to face a SprMW. We've all seen guys jump up too much in weight. He'll look soft and flabby unless he adds some mass to his frame.

 

HOW?!?!
He was 155lbs on fight night back when he fought at 135!

Completely besides the point. But true, so very true. He would be giving up at least 15lbs.

Agreed. I think his best bet would be to do his usual camp and to come in at what he usually weighs, which would be slightly over 160lbs. i don´t think he can add any real muscle at his age, in just one camp. And it might hurt his performance.