the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

Victor Galindez v Ray Elson (non-title, Nevada's 5 point must scoring)

Round 1: 5-4 Elson
Round 2: 5-4 Galindez
Round 3: 5-4 Galindez
Round 4: 5-5 Even
Round 5: 5-4 Elson
Round 6: 5-4 Galindez
Round 7: 5-4 Galindez
Round 8: Galindez drops and stops Elson

Total through 7 complete rounds: 33-31 Galindez (actual scores not known)

Man, I remember watching this live at a buddy's house and laughing when Cosell clearly got his notes messed up and started bragging on Elson who used to be a weight-lifter/body-builder and stated that "Elson once bench-pressed 60 pounds." We both looked at each other at the time with my buddy saying, "Well that doesn't sound like much." I still laugh thinking about that.

But on to the fight. Amazingly, someone actually tried to pass Elson off as a title challenger with his 12-0-1 record and coming off an array of 8-rounders. But it was the WBA who came to the rescue. Yes, that WBA. You know, that bastion of integrity who once foisted Tae Jin Moon and Miguel Iriarte on us as #1 challengers. Well they said he was not rated in their top 10 so it was a non-title. And rightfully so. So here we go. I totally loved the fight. Elson had one way of fighting and he took it to Galindez who just took his time, lining up massive counter shots throughout. This was just a good old-fashioned shoot-out and I loved it. Galindez was such a brilliant fighter/counter-puncher, whom I feel is so underrated and/or forgotten today. Highly recommend this fight if you want to see a good shoot-out.

 

Commentary was silly, but that's to be expected these days. I think the actual stoppage is perfectly justifiable. Kholmatov had turned his back after taking a clean shot, and still had it mostley turned (he was looking at Ford)...With his hands down. So, he's defenseless at that point, and that's borne out when Ford lands a straight left and a followup right hook at the very end of the fight.

You can't defend, you can't continue.

Fight ruled. Would love to see a rematch.

 

Same scorecard, btw.

 

Emile Griffith v Yama Bahama (NY rounds scoring)

Round 1: Griffith
Round 2: Griffith
Round 3: Even
Round 4: Griffith
Round 5: Even
Round 6: Griffith
Round 7: Griffith
Round 8: Even
Round 9: Griffith
Round 10: Bahama

Total: 6-1-3 Griffith (actual scores: 7-2-1, 8-2 and 5-5 but with NY's supplemental scoring it was 6-5 all for Griffith)

Let me preface this by saying I have rarely ever seen as close a fight as this one. These two were like a mirror image of one another. There were those in the crowd that didn't appreciate what was going on but I loved it. The sharp and speedy jabs, combos and body shots these two threw were amazing. Harry Kessler's 5-5 score was completely plausible with every round so close. His 6-5 in supplemental was clearly the 7th round where Griff rocked Yama badly. Yama should have stuck with body work the whole way because he had success with it and it won him the last round on my card. Again, if you want something to test your scoring mettle, go no further. I thought it was a brilliant fight.

 

I've never seen Bahama, how good was he?

 

Very good. I had only seen his bout with Joey Giambra before this and was also impressed with him in that one. He was a product of his times where he had to entertain and “mix it up”. Today they would have had him stay on the outside all the time where that speedy jab of his would pay dividends. But he clearly was a good body puncher and his record was rife with world class talent. He could have and should have been considered for a title fight anywhere between ‘58 and ‘61.

 

Thanks for the info! Yea he's got a name easy to remember and all I know him for is being the last opponent of Gavilan

 

Danny Lopez (c) vs. Mike Ayala, scheduled for 15 rounds on June 17, 1979, for the WBC featherweight championship at Convention Center Arena in San Antonio, Texas.

Lopez, 27, is making his seventh defense of his crown and weighs 126 (he’s announced in the ring at 125 but Boxrec has him at 126 and Tim Ryan on the call for CBS also says 126 I’m pretty sure). He is 40-3 (37). At 5-8, he is four inches taller than the challenger, but Ayala has long arms so the reach difference isn’t as pronounced. “Little Red” wears his Native American headdress into the ring in full regalia.

Ayala, 21, has won eight in a row since dropping the NABF junior featherweight crown (The New York Times says he’s NABF champ but I can’t find anything to support that). He’s fighting in his hometown with a large and enthusiastic crowd behind him. He’s 21-1 (12) and weighs 125 1/2. He was a three-time national amateur champ with a record of 152-6 and is ranked No. 1 by the WBC. (Ryan mentions his younger brother, ‘El Torito,’ being a rising amateur star, obviously referring to Tony.)

Ryan is on the call with Gil Clancy and Angelo Dundee (who, interestingly, has his crystal ball out and predicts Ayala will fight well but be stopped late). A pretty spiffy undercard sees wins by Howard Davis Jr. and Salvador Sanchez, who will eventually dethrone Lopez.

This is, rightfully, Ring Magazine’s 1979 FotY. I remember it being a great fight — watched it at my aunt and uncle’s house when we were on vacation but I don’t think I’d ever revisited it. Glad I did.

1. Lopez 10-9: Good start with Lopez landing straight punches (jabs and rights) and Ayala with some snappy left-hook counters and good body work. Danny’s jab is probably the difference in this round.

2. Ayala 10-9: Mike lands some sizzling counters, especially a couple of hooks and one zinging right, that rattle Lopez a bit. He kind of bounces around a bit in the middle of the ring (without punching much) and then alternates setting up in one neutral corner and then the other to counter. Most of the fight will be fought in those corners.

3. Lopez 10-9: Danny starts getting through a bit more, especially to the body with the right hand. Some sizzling exchanges.

4. Ayala 10-9: Lopez fights 3 minutes and Ayala fights in spurts with explosive counters. Ayala rocks Danny a couple of times to edge it.

5. Ayala 10-9: This kid is so fun to watch. He goes all out early in the round, still mostly fighting out of corners. At the end of the round, Danny kind of pats him like ‘Ain’t we having some fun, I’ll be right back,’ which probably wasn’t encouraging.

6. Lopez 10-9: Danny is relentless. Some of his stuff doesn’t look that hard but you can see him doing some damage. His jab and those drumbeat rights to the body keep finding a home. Ayala’s nose is bloodied, which will be a major factor as the fight goes on.

7. Lopez 10-8: Ayala isn’t moving his upper body in the corner as much and it’s telling. Lopez rakes him over pretty good and then lands a right-left combo — the left is more of a jab than hook but lands right on the nose and Ayala takes a knee.

8. Ayala 10-9: What heart. He storms back late in the round after it’s all Danny early and rocks Lopez a couple of times to take it.

9. Ayala 10-9: Mike keeps the momentum and seems to have it going his way. He boxes a bit more and really hurts Lopez with a corker of a right late in the round.

10. Even 10-10: I abhor even rounds but had to go with it this time. Fantastic exchanges. Danny is steady and Ayala is explosive in spurts with sharp counters.

11. Lopez 10-8: Craziest damned round I think I’ve ever seen. About a minute into the round, Ayala takes two lefts (another kind of shotgun jab to the nose) and again takes a knee. Referee Carlos Padilla counts him out as Ayala rises right after the count. Fight is over, Corners come into the ring. A few people in the stands throw coins and a lot of booing. But the timekeeper says Carlos didn’t pick up the count properly and Mike was up at nine. The WBC representative orders the fight to resume. They start it and immediately the bell rings. WTF??? I went back and looked at the time on video and by my count this round went 1:05. Apparently when it was first stopped the timekeeper had lost track of how much time had elapsed.

12. Lopez 10-9: Ayala is winging big shots here and there but a lot are missing and they seem to have lost their snap. Lopez works him over pretty good.

13. Lopez 10-9: Mike digs deep and plants his feet and lands some heavy shots but nothing moves Danny and he answers everything and takes the play away. Custer’s last stand kind of thing for Ayala.

14. Lopez 10-9: This could have been 10-8. Danny staggers him twice with right hands and dominates the round.

15: Lopez lands two right-hand grenades, really teeing off as Ayala is done, the second of which puts him down for the count at 1:09.

My card: Lopez 135-130. Official cards have Lopez up 135-132 and 135-129 with him trailing 134-131 on one card (I can’t see it with the knockdowns, wonder if this got transposed in history somehow).

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Pat, I had it 136-130. We were all in the same hemisphere except for that one judge, who was Lou Tabat, a Nevada judge. There was always an odd score coming out a Las Vegas judge for some reason. One thing I should mention, check out the 7th round knockdown again. Watching fights for so many years do give you a sense of things and I felt something a bit odd in timing, so I rewatched it. Ayala was down for 12 seconds by my count. That was two major screwups by Carlos Padilla. A referee whom I never liked.

 

Without any way to know for sure, I think it’s as likely on the timekeeper (who screwed up badly in the shortened 11th) as on Carlos.

And it’s a 10 count, not 10 seconds. Everyone’s cadence on the count is going to be off slightly. Given that Ayala took a knee there because of the pain (smashed and/or broken nose) and seemed alert, he was going to bounce up in time regardless.

The second knockdown, while somewhat similar, I think he more or less intended/decided not to quite get up in time. He didn’t protest going back to the corner, just seemed resigned that it was over. I think he was probably more distressed than Danny that it was restarted.

 

Bennie Briscoe v Ralph Hollett (Canada's 5-point system)

Round 1: 5-4 Briscoe
Round 2: 5-3 Hollett (scores a knockdown)
Round 3: 5-4 Briscoe
Round 4: 5-4 Briscoe
Round 5: 5-4 Briscoe
Round 6: 5-5 Even
Round 7: 5-4 Briscoe
Round 8: 5-4 Briscoe
Round 9: 5-4 Briscoe
Round 10: 5-4 Hollett

Total: 47-43 Briscoe (actual scores: 45-45 Even and scores of 46-45 and 45-44 both for Hollett on a majority decision)

Well, the 3 Canadian judges saw something in Hollett that I didn't. Although this was Briscoe's penultimate fight, I felt he still had way more in the tank than the slapping Hollett. Although, to be fair, it was said he broke a knuckle when he dropped Briscoe in the 2nd round. But other than that, I felt Briscoe chased and pounded Hollett at every opportunity. This was not vintage Briscoe. Indeed, at 39 he was shopworn, but it was still good seeing him in action. The quality of the film wasn't the best. But I didn't care. I was watching Bennie Briscoe.

 

They saw Maple Leafs, haha. Probably figured go with the local as Bennie wasn’t up for rookie of the year and was on his way to retirement, so prop up the local lad.

 

Totally agree. It's what happens when you go on the road. Bennie probably took it with a grain of salt after all those years of slinging leather in the other guy's backyard. Incidentally, I checked out what else was on Hollett on youtube and found a pretty cool highlight reel on his fight with Roy Gumbs, which is worth checking out.

 

Yeah and it cuts both ways — not like nobody was ever robbed going to Philly to fight a hometown guy. Not sure specifically if any of Bennie’s home verdicts are in dispute, but Marvin definitely got robbed there at least once.

 

Eddie Mustafa Muhammad always says that he was robbed against Briscoe. The film is not great, hard to tell if Eddie is landing or the punches are getting blocked. Nonetheless very close. Good fight.



I thought that Briscoe was robbed against Vito Antuofermo in another cracker.

Ralph Hollet fought British champion Roy Gumbs twice in consecutive bouts for the Commonwealth crown in Canada.

Both times he had the fragile but big punching Gumbs almost out only to get stopped.

Gumbs had the same thing happen to him against Mark Kaylor (forgotten classic) and years later got a World title crack at Super-middle against Chong Pal Park.

Strangely enough this is the only Park title fight that is impossible to find, managed to get a brief clip (10 s) so hopefully the full fights appears one day.